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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 14, 2024 20:29:56 GMT
There's a bit of the Chinese grammar in the title there for added effect.
Now here is a dilemma for the 'holier than thou' politicians. This is quite simple to understand and I would appreciate Vinny not trolling this thread with his fascist nonsense. This is business and politics.
Today, according to the BBC a few hours ago, the US has imposed 100% tariffs on Chinese cars, and we are talking about electric cars here. It turns out China has millions of brand new cars waiting to be sold. Partly the reason is domestic demand fell off in China and the other problem is they have a weak export market. Unlike Western makes, they do not have huge global dealership networks as it takes time to build them up.
According to the BBC, China anticipated this US tariff so did not bother to set up dealers over there anyway, so the tariff is not going to damage investments in that country. There is India, but the Indians are fraudsters and have not made good car supply contracts, like when the cars are delivered they are supposed to be paid for and so they is out of the question now. This leaves the European market, of which there is us lot and the EU. The BBC and many others including myself expect the EU to follow the US move and impose their own tariffs, since they have already hinted they will.
Now this is where it gets interesting. China has bet that unlike the EU, the UK will not impose high tariffs and so they have set up more dealers here than in the EU. They are currently selling cars here for twice the price they sell for in China, so as an example, they are making about $1400 per typical car in China but $14 000 in this country according to figures I've been quoted. I don't think this margin will be maintained in the UK, and due to oversupply they might be offering them as ridiculously cheap prices. The choice is between fixing climate change with a massive rise in new EVs as the politicians say we must, but sacrifice your Indian, Jap, US and German car industries operating in the UK or doing the reverse and see EVs as unpopular and expensive but maintaining your local car industry for a while longer. Chances are they will go bust no matter what we do, but a dilemma for Westminster of epic proportion. IDS thinks all Chinese cars can be remote controlled by the PLA! Re the economy, sure it could sacrifice a lot of jobs but a the same time the money consumers save would be a boon to the economy, so very much swings and roundabouts on that issue. Where you lose domestic car jobs the money saved will be spent on something else which would then create jobs.
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Post by Pacifico on May 14, 2024 21:12:09 GMT
Be a brave government that didn't follow the lead of the US and EU, especially as there is no political mileage in sacrificing British jobs to prop up the Chinese economy.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 14, 2024 21:23:30 GMT
Be a brave government that didn't follow the lead of the US and EU, especially as there is no political mileage in sacrificing British jobs to prop up the Chinese economy. It would indeed, but theoretically it would be possible to buy a new family car for as little as ten grand and it would be more advanced as well. It sure would piss the likes of the EU and the US off that the Brits are all driving brand new flashy cars. On the plus side it would be one hell of a Brexit bonus to shut the fuckers up who want to rejoin the EU. What about the greens though? They rule the SNP up in Scotland, and Labour are trying to be green as well. You can't have you cake and tax it out of existence. |
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Post by borchester on May 14, 2024 21:30:15 GMT
Does it have to be Chinese cars ?
We have a Honda that has lasted forever and still has a few more years in it. And I don't mind climate change. That usually means things warming up and I don't like the cold
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Post by Pacifico on May 14, 2024 21:36:26 GMT
Be a brave government that didn't follow the lead of the US and EU, especially as there is no political mileage in sacrificing British jobs to prop up the Chinese economy. It would indeed, but theoretically it would be possible to buy a new family car for as little as ten grand and it would be more advanced as well. It sure would piss the likes of the EU and the US off that the Brits are all driving brand new flashy cars. On the plus side it would be one hell of a Brexit bonus to shut the fuckers up who want to rejoin the EU. What about the greens though? They rule the SNP up in Scotland, and Labour are trying to be green as well. You can't have you cake and tax it out of existence. You are not going to be able to buy a car for 10k - the whole point of net zero is to reduce the number of cars on the road. The present system suits the environmentalists - EV's are more expensive but that is all you will be allowed to buy, so it forces the poor onto public transport. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 14, 2024 21:46:22 GMT
It would indeed, but theoretically it would be possible to buy a new family car for as little as ten grand and it would be more advanced as well. It sure would piss the likes of the EU and the US off that the Brits are all driving brand new flashy cars. On the plus side it would be one hell of a Brexit bonus to shut the fuckers up who want to rejoin the EU. What about the greens though? They rule the SNP up in Scotland, and Labour are trying to be green as well. You can't have you cake and tax it out of existence. You are not going to be able to buy a car for 10k - the whole point of net zero is to reduce the number of cars on the road. The present system suits the environmentalists - EV's are more expensive but that is all you will be allowed to buy, so it forces the poor onto public transport. Yes I do get that feeling off them. They see it as no pain = no gain.
I saw a Chinese car dealer on YT the other day suggesting some of us get together as a group, pop over to China and buy them from him at super cheap and then ship them back themselves. He was totally serious, and in the background was his company with lots of shiny new cars there on the forecourt. Chinese are like that. They find a way, and the government their end is happy because it is more trade. It's another scandal waiting to happen.
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Post by Bentley on May 14, 2024 21:48:24 GMT
We haven’t got the infrastructure for EVs. There’s not enough chargers being installed. Take the hint. Net zero is ( amongst other things )about forcing us to use public transport.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 14, 2024 22:43:53 GMT
We haven’t got the infrastructure for EVs. There’s not enough chargers being installed. Take the hint. Net zero is ( amongst other things )about forcing us to use public transport. It may well be, but what will the public think. I mean ten years ago we were having EVs forced onto us and hyped at every opportunity. Now the Chinese have got the technology useable they want to get rid of them.
The thing is, if I wanted a new car, I would be very happy to pay less than half price for it, and what with these new ones regularly getting 400km range + I would charge it up on the low tariff at night at home at 10p/unit. Charging points are a complete rip-off and you end up paying more than if you were in a petrol car. Another big advantage of EVs is they hardly need any servicing. A modern engine has millions of moving parts, where and EV motor is very simple with virtually nothing that could go wrong. In the next few years the technology is going to make the old cars look as crap as steam engines.
If Blighty buys cars from the Chinaman then very soon they will be making flying cars. I've always wanted a flying car.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 14, 2024 22:46:49 GMT
Does it have to be Chinese cars ?
We have a Honda that has lasted forever and still has a few more years in it. And I don't mind climate change. That usually means things warming up and I don't like the cold
Japs are betting on hydrogen cars. Most people think hydrogen cars are a non-starter, but we shall see. They might invent something that works better for all we know. |
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Post by Bentley on May 14, 2024 23:03:25 GMT
We haven’t got the infrastructure for EVs. There’s not enough chargers being installed. Take the hint. Net zero is ( amongst other things )about forcing us to use public transport. It may well be, but what will the public think. I mean ten years ago we were having EVs forced onto us and hyped at every opportunity. Now the Chinese have got the technology useable they want to get rid of them.
The thing is, if I wanted a new car, I would be very happy to pay less than half price for it, and what with these new ones regularly getting 400km range + I would charge it up on the low tariff at night at home at 10p/unit. Charging points are a complete rip-off and you end up paying more than if you were in a petrol car. Another big advantage of EVs is they hardly need any servicing. A modern engine has millions of moving parts, where and EV motor is very simple with virtually nothing that could go wrong. In the next few years the technology is going to make the old cars look as crap as steam engines.
If Blighty buys cars from the Chinaman then very soon they will be making flying cars. I've always wanted a flying car.
Thanks for the sales spiel but no thanks . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 15, 2024 2:43:34 GMT
It may well be, but what will the public think. I mean ten years ago we were having EVs forced onto us and hyped at every opportunity. Now the Chinese have got the technology useable they want to get rid of them.
The thing is, if I wanted a new car, I would be very happy to pay less than half price for it, and what with these new ones regularly getting 400km range + I would charge it up on the low tariff at night at home at 10p/unit. Charging points are a complete rip-off and you end up paying more than if you were in a petrol car. Another big advantage of EVs is they hardly need any servicing. A modern engine has millions of moving parts, where and EV motor is very simple with virtually nothing that could go wrong. In the next few years the technology is going to make the old cars look as crap as steam engines.
If Blighty buys cars from the Chinaman then very soon they will be making flying cars. I've always wanted a flying car.
Thanks for the sales spiel but no thanks . You misinterpreted my post. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 15, 2024 4:37:22 GMT
Hmmm... The climate change agenda or Chinese cars.
Both total crap. I choose neither.
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Post by jonksy on May 15, 2024 4:42:50 GMT
Hmmm... The climate change agenda or Chinese cars. Both total crap. I choose neither. The World is full of people who purchased cheap Chinese crap and now regret it. LOL bvl is just anoither typical nut zero. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on May 15, 2024 4:50:40 GMT
Without the zero.  |
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Post by sandypine on May 15, 2024 8:23:40 GMT
It would indeed, but theoretically it would be possible to buy a new family car for as little as ten grand and it would be more advanced as well. It sure would piss the likes of the EU and the US off that the Brits are all driving brand new flashy cars. On the plus side it would be one hell of a Brexit bonus to shut the fuckers up who want to rejoin the EU. What about the greens though? They rule the SNP up in Scotland, and Labour are trying to be green as well. You can't have you cake and tax it out of existence. You are not going to be able to buy a car for 10k - the whole point of net zero is to reduce the number of cars on the road. The present system suits the environmentalists - EV's are more expensive but that is all you will be allowed to buy, so it forces the poor onto public transport. No doubt about it net zero means less congestion for those who can afford to travel in a car. Cities will be public transport orientated with the elite preferring their personal electric option for which room will be made. Rural communities will become more isolated as distance will again become a block on movement and the long cold dark winters will become exactly that. |
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