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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 15, 2024 8:38:45 GMT
Hmmm... The climate change agenda or Chinese cars. Both total crap. I choose neither. The World is full of people who purchased cheap Chinese crap and now regret it. LOL bvl is just anoither typical nut zero. I just like Chinese products. I personally can't be fucked with a car. They are more trouble than they are worth for me. |
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Post by Bentley on May 15, 2024 9:59:42 GMT
The World is full of people who purchased cheap Chinese crap and now regret it. LOL bvl is just anoither typical nut zero. I just like Chinese products. I personally can't be fucked with a car. They are more trouble than they are worth for me. There will probably be quite a few more who think like that when China dumps its cars on us . |
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2024 10:15:44 GMT
The World is full of people who purchased cheap Chinese crap and now regret it. LOL bvl is just anoither typical nut zero. I just like Chinese products. I personally can't be fucked with a car. They are more trouble than they are worth for me. I don't think having a car is any trouble. Some of us rely on them to give us the freedom to get around. I wouldn't buy a Chinese car, though. I'll stick to European or even American. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 15, 2024 10:26:11 GMT
I just like Chinese products. I personally can't be fucked with a car. They are more trouble than they are worth for me. There will probably be quite a few more who think like that when China dumps its cars on us . Here's the thing for me. Back in the days of the Wild West I would drive as I pleased and drive within the law when a policeman was around, like for me it was a kind of 6th sense I had. Then one day they invented the speed camera, and I found I was looking at my speedometer more than the bloody road. This was when the fun of driving ceased. I hate the bloody Feds with a vengeance and driving around with all these speed cameras felt like driving in the soviet union with red guards everywhere. After that we had the cameras, the no smoking even outside and then we have all the snitches with their mobile phones and then the places of entertainment I enjoyed started to get regulated out of existence. Coupled with that were the price hikes for any entertainment and the deterioration in talent, so we paid more for less and more Feds patrolling every social event in their yellow Nazi jackets.
The one good thing is we have online shopping now where I think almost everything I buy online works out cheaper than the shops, and after discovering the delights of shopping in China I get everything even cheaper and the products I buy from Chinese firms are brilliant. So for buying stuff I can shop in my armchair and there are no no smoking signs in this place. To solve regular shopping for food I moved to a strategic location within walking distance of about 5 large supermarkets, all competing with one another locally on price (love the capitalism!). It turns out walking is about the healthiest exercise you can do, so far better for you than the gym, hence more money saved and the area I live in makes for pleasant walks as well. People pay lots of money to come here for walking and sight seeing holidays. About the only other thing one would need a car for is if one were working several miles away, but I don't have to do that. I can work where I am and work better because the country is quiet and without distraction. I suffer from the phenomenon of each time I go somewhere out of the area I'm nearly always visiting worse. For example the last time I visited Bristol it was a multiethnic shithole and felt well out of place.
I know most people need a car, but for me I had one I simply did not use. In fact I've still got it. It's now a collectors item and has appreciated 10x what I paid for it. So that's me. It's not a perfect world here, but easy compared to most lives in Blighty. I do miss the entertainment I once had. That's all long gone now, but I made sure I had my kicks when they were around. I had a feeling things would not last and the country would turn fascist eventually. 97 was the turning point I reckon.
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Post by johnofgwent on May 20, 2024 13:21:58 GMT
So, baron, from your own opening post
China has experienced a drop in demand for EV’s
Why might that be ??
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on May 20, 2024 23:08:45 GMT
So, baron, from your own opening post China has experienced a drop in demand for EV’s Why might that be ?? Certainly not why you would expect it. It's dumb ass thinking to think of course it is because they are crap. This is why we get stuff so wrong about China. We do not know as a nation anything really about what goes on there.
It is to do with permits to drive in cities. The roads are insufficient for everyone to have a car, and besides pollution was a big problem, so they had to ration licences. It's a bit like trying to get a council house in Blighty, where you put your name on a government list and then hope and wait. It turned out that about one in three were licenced to drive and the ease of getting one of these licences varied from city to city. You have to also appreciate it was only a few decades ago where everyone rode a bicycle in China.
The rise in the personal car in china has been swift, but then you recall our noble politicians used to say China was so evil for being so ungreen, and so it came to pass that the government over there went green. To promote green transport they built a huge rail network and said to their citizens, if you buy an electric car then you can have a licence to drive straight away without any sweat. This resulted in a huge boom in demand for EVs coupled with a big improvement in quality after Tesla set up in China. Now what has happened it is has reached saturation. Everyone who has wanted to drive can now drive and they have bought their car and won't be buying another for a long time since EVs have hardly anything that is likely to go wrong with them, as per the difference in aircraft with piston engines and jet engines. Like jets, electric motors are not experiencing thousands of explosions every minute with all manner of cogs and leavers. They could keep on going forever. Anyway, the thing is the public transport system is so efficient and so cheap over there that you don't really need a car. Imagine paying 40p for a ticket from one side of London to the other. It's economy of scale. Another thing a lot of Chinese use is those electric scooters. You can hire government ones for about 20p for 5 miles. They are everywhere. We like cars in Blighty cos it is nearly always wet and cold. They are a fair bit warmer.
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Post by Red Rackham on May 20, 2024 23:28:47 GMT
The World is full of people who purchased cheap Chinese crap and now regret it. LOL bvl is just anoither typical nut zero. I just like Chinese products. I personally can't be fucked with a car. They are more trouble than they are worth for me. Chinese goods are generally cheap mass produced crap, and rip-offs of western equivalents. It's known as the Chinese fakeaway. If you cant afford the genuine article, buy Chinese, it wont last but hey it's cheap. |
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Post by johnofgwent on May 21, 2024 7:24:42 GMT
I just like Chinese products. I personally can't be fucked with a car. They are more trouble than they are worth for me. Chinese goods are generally cheap mass produced crap, and rip-offs of western equivalents. It's known as the Chinese fakeaway. If you cant afford the genuine article, by Chinese, it wont last but hey it's cheap. The best example of this I can think of is one of their land rover knockoffs. A billionaire Chinese playboy gifted a factory to his son to make the things, the son bought a factory that madkes, or made, the aluminium trim components for Jaguar Land Rover and Volvo and Aston Martin and I could go on but I hope you get the idea, fifteen miles from this house. I know this because for the best part of three years I WORKED there as the sole IT developer on site. He bought the business to get his hands on genuine trim parts for his fake range rovers, which I know for a fact were powered by Peugeot engines having originally been powered by something based on a Chinese engine intended for a tractor and downsized. Anyone who has ever sat in a Bentley Arnage knows about the stunning walnut trim (other woods are available but when the firm - years before the split and selloff to BMW and VW - sent one to take me to the station to bring me to hear their apology for nicking my IP rights for a small part of the engine - they sent one with a walnut trim and it was absolutely gorgeous ANYWAY Said Billionaire - who I met - owned a factory making wood trims for their knockoffs and the cheeky sod actually tried to get a contract to supply trims to JLR and Volvo through us. There was a huge meeting with him and what seemed to be half the Chinese State Security and Chinese MI6 plus half the Welsh twats in Cardiff Bay Plus Liz Truss and her delegation from Westminster to big up this Celtic-Sino cooperation bullshit and in the end he got a deal to supply us with his wood trims which we would then sell as ours, using a factory we / he also owned in Birmingham as a front. It was almost the repeat of Allivane International (look them up) in 1988 as the front men for the weapons deal with Iraq publicly sold as the weapons deal with Saudi that the BBC drama The Night Manager with Hugh Laurie and Tom Hiddlestone was all based on BUT Unlike the cluster bombs my old defence employer made for Saddam and had smuggled out of Scotland with paperwork pretending to be cluster bombs for the Tornado fighter whose deployment pods I had a hand in myself, these wood trims were absolute crap, delaminated if you wanked on them (no, we never tried that but as someone who thought up using the materials intbe acrosome for treating heart attacks trust me they would have) and Volvo were the first, then JLR followed swiftly in denouncing the build quality as utter bollocks. It cost us a bloody fortune but also SERIOUSLY fucked our credibility and it caused the Birmingham company to fold and I think the Welsh one did soon after I left to take up my current job as furlough ended So yes, I know personally how utterly crap a number of these Chinese Imitations are. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 14, 2024 22:28:20 GMT
I was correct. American agent von de Leyden has hiked EU tariffs from 10% on Chinese EVs to upto 48%. More market share = higher tariffs. Germany though makes cars in China and then exports them from China. German car manufacturers in China also sell a lot of their cars there, with one firm selling 30% of their cars in China. They are screwed, but fear even worse because China is expected to retaliate. The Chancellor and his mate are speaking bad things about this through their microphones. Sean Foo runs through the market implications of this move. The UK is one of the largest importers of Chinese cars. It seems like the Brits don't therefore hold the negative attitudes on Chinese products that is reflected above!
If our government is clever it will hold tariffs as they are, which would likely send the message to China that the UK is a reliable place to do business. We are out of the EU now, so if we are going to follow the EU's every legislative move then we might as well not be, and people will get very angry about it. As if things are not expensive enough here already.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 15, 2024 6:44:10 GMT
If the new Government (whoever that will be) allows China to dump their cars onto the UK market it will be the end of any thought about manufacturing in the UK.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 15, 2024 9:44:31 GMT
So, baron, from your own opening post China has experienced a drop in demand for EV’s Why might that be ?? Because they are fucking crap. It's only the nut zero idiot's who purchase the things and then afterwards regret their decision. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 15, 2024 9:54:40 GMT
If the new Government (whoever that will be) allows China to dump their cars onto the UK market it will be the end of any thought about manufacturing in the UK. Why? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jun 15, 2024 9:57:21 GMT
So, baron, from your own opening post China has experienced a drop in demand for EV’s Why might that be ?? Because they are fucking crap. It's only the nut zero idiot's who purchase the things and then afterwards regret their decision. It's our products which are fucking crap and also the EU's products. This is why they need tariffs. Fancy paying double for your car to benefit Tata? I don't. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 15, 2024 10:24:43 GMT
Because they are fucking crap. It's only the nut zero idiot's who purchase the things and then afterwards regret their decision. It's our products which are fucking crap and also the EU's products. This is why they need tariffs. Fancy paying double for your car to benefit Tata? I don't. Your products are OK untill the Chinese copy them and turn them into cheap Chinese crap. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 15, 2024 10:25:56 GMT
If the new Government (whoever that will be) allows China to dump their cars onto the UK market it will be the end of any thought about manufacturing in the UK. Why? We cannot afford the levels of subsidy that the Chinese Government are pumping into their manufacturers. |
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