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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 16, 2024 23:06:35 GMT
What is your evidence that the right are gaining in this country? The polls do not reflect that assertion.
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 16, 2024 23:14:04 GMT
It's often said that a Texan person regards themselves as a Texan first, and an American second.
Been supportive of EU membership and integration with Europe does not make a person unpatriotic, or anti British, It means they believe that as a state or nation we should belong to something bigger, which will benefit us.
Member states of the EU are not ruled by Brussels, they are ruled by representetives, including representetives from member states who just happen to meet in Brussels.
I am a Yorkshireman, I am ruled from London, and some people are Scottish who are ruled from London ... London, Brussels, no difference to me just so long as a representative from my town or my area are there and have a vote.
People in Texas are proud to be Texans, but part of the United States; People in Scotland are proud to be Scottish, but part of the UK; The French are proud to be French, but most French people are in favour of EU membership.
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 16, 2024 23:27:55 GMT
What is your evidence that the right are gaining in this country? The polls do not reflect that assertion. Well it depends what you mean by 'the right'. Lets face it, as far as many lefties are concerned, if you're not a lefty you're a far right extremist who should be cancelled. However, the centre right, traditional Conservatism will return, Reform UK will see to that. And in saying that I don't for a moment think Reform UK will ever form a government, or indeed have any MP's. Farage and UKIP showed us that small parties with no MP's can change government policy. And over a far shorter period of time Reform UK are more popular than UKIP was. Anyone who thinks Labour and the Tories are not watching the rise of Reform UK, are bloody fools. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 16, 2024 23:41:50 GMT
It's often said that a Texan person regards themselves as a Texan first, and an American second. Been supportive of EU membership and integration with Europe does not make a person unpatriotic, or anti British, It means they believe that as a state or nation we should belong to something bigger, which will benefit us. Member states of the EU are not ruled by Brussels, they are ruled by representetives, including representetives from member states who just happen to meet in Brussels. I am a Yorkshireman, I am ruled from London, and some people are Scottish who are ruled from London ... London, Brussels, no difference to me just so long as a representative from my town or my area are there and have a vote. People in Texas are proud to be Texans, but part of the United States; People in Scotland are proud to be Scottish, but part of the UK; The French are proud to be French, but most French people are in favour of EU membership. Texans like all Americans have very little history. They love us because we have lots of history. So lets put that to bed. To suggest that being forced into a supranational state in which electorates have no control over their unelected president or executive is a good thing, suggests to me that you are beyond help. You are brainwashed. You are a left wing ideologue, I suspect an inexperienced left wing ideologue. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 16, 2024 23:42:54 GMT
What is your evidence that the right are gaining in this country? The polls do not reflect that assertion. Well it depends what you mean by 'the right'. Lets face it, as far as many lefties are concerned, if you're not a lefty you're a far right extremist who should be cancelled. However, the centre right, traditional Conservatism will return, Reform UK will see to that. And in saying that I don't for a moment think Reform UK will ever form a government, or indeed have any MP's. Farage and UKIP showed us that small parties with no MP's can change government policy. And over a far shorter period of time Reform UK are more popular than UKIP was. Anyone who thinks Labour and the Tories are not watching the rise of Reform UK, are bloody fools. OK, if by "the right", you meant Reform, then yes, they have quite clearly grown, from what was a small base. They are clearly only a minority of voters though. Personally I'm hoping they take a lot of votes in the GE, but probably for the opposite reason you hope for. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 16, 2024 23:44:45 GMT
Well it depends what you mean by 'the right'. Lets face it, as far as many lefties are concerned, if you're not a lefty you're a far right extremist who should be cancelled. However, the centre right, traditional Conservatism will return, Reform UK will see to that. And in saying that I don't for a moment think Reform UK will ever form a government, or indeed have any MP's. Farage and UKIP showed us that small parties with no MP's can change government policy. And over a far shorter period of time Reform UK are more popular than UKIP was. Anyone who thinks Labour and the Tories are not watching the rise of Reform UK, are bloody fools. OK, if by "the right", you meant Reform, then yes, they have quite clearly grown, from what was a small base. They are clearly only a minority of voters though. Personally I'm hoping they take a lot of votes in the GE, but probably for the opposite reason you hope for. One moment... |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 16, 2024 23:44:59 GMT
It's often said that a Texan person regards themselves as a Texan first, and an American second. Been supportive of EU membership and integration with Europe does not make a person unpatriotic, or anti British, It means they believe that as a state or nation we should belong to something bigger, which will benefit us. Member states of the EU are not ruled by Brussels, they are ruled by representetives, including representetives from member states who just happen to meet in Brussels. I am a Yorkshireman, I am ruled from London, and some people are Scottish who are ruled from London ... London, Brussels, no difference to me just so long as a representative from my town or my area are there and have a vote. People in Texas are proud to be Texans, but part of the United States; People in Scotland are proud to be Scottish, but part of the UK; The French are proud to be French, but most French people are in favour of EU membership. Texans like all Americans have very little history. They love us because we have lots of history. So lets put that to bed. To suggest that being forced into a supranational state in which electorates have no control over their unelected president or executive is a good thing, suggests to me that you are beyond help. You are brainwashed. You are a left wing ideologue, I suspect an inexperienced left wing ideologue. Actually Texas has a very interesting history, having been both part of Mexico and it's own Republic prior to joining the US. It's definitely different! 😂 |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 16, 2024 23:55:59 GMT
OK, if by "the right", you meant Reform, then yes, they have quite clearly grown, from what was a small base. They are clearly only a minority of voters though. Personally I'm hoping they take a lot of votes in the GE, but probably for the opposite reason you hope for. One moment... Where were we... ahh yes. Well you say Reform only represent a minority, but behind closed doors Labour and the Tories will be very aware that 15% and growing, is a big minority. As I said elswhere UKIP with 12% of the vote changed government policy. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Apr 16, 2024 23:56:29 GMT
Texans like all Americans have very little history. They love us because we have lots of history. So lets put that to bed. To suggest that being forced into a supranational state in which electorates have no control over their unelected president or executive is a good thing, suggests to me that you are beyond help. You are brainwashed. You are a left wing ideologue, I suspect an inexperienced left wing ideologue. Actually Texas has a very interesting history, having been both part of Mexico and it's own Republic prior to joining the US. It's definitely different! 😂 Pillock. |
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Post by Dogburger on Apr 17, 2024 5:43:04 GMT
The problem, as she states in her book, is left leaning idiots and an obstructive civil service have destoyed everything this cpuntry used to have going for it But the reason why a right wing populist would be divisive, is not simply that people of all shades of Left would find her to be unacceptable, but also a lot of Tories would too. And the right find much of what Starmer stands for as unacceptable , but hey we find much of what Sunak stands for as unacceptable to. Being divisive is good ,its what gives for fiery debate and protects us from boredom . |
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Post by andrewbrown on Apr 17, 2024 6:46:50 GMT
Where were we... ahh yes. Well you say Reform only represent a minority, but behind closed doors Labour and the Tories will be very aware that 15% and growing, is a big minority. As I said elswhere UKIP with 12% of the vote changed government policy. Hang on. Aren't you the same Red Rackham who has spent 8 years saying the 48% should be ignored? 🤔 |
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Post by witchfinder on Apr 17, 2024 10:21:18 GMT
It's often said that a Texan person regards themselves as a Texan first, and an American second. Been supportive of EU membership and integration with Europe does not make a person unpatriotic, or anti British, It means they believe that as a state or nation we should belong to something bigger, which will benefit us. Member states of the EU are not ruled by Brussels, they are ruled by representetives, including representetives from member states who just happen to meet in Brussels. I am a Yorkshireman, I am ruled from London, and some people are Scottish who are ruled from London ... London, Brussels, no difference to me just so long as a representative from my town or my area are there and have a vote. People in Texas are proud to be Texans, but part of the United States; People in Scotland are proud to be Scottish, but part of the UK; The French are proud to be French, but most French people are in favour of EU membership. Texans like all Americans have very little history. They love us because we have lots of history. So lets put that to bed. To suggest that being forced into a supranational state in which electorates have no control over their unelected president or executive is a good thing, suggests to me that you are beyond help. You are brainwashed. You are a left wing ideologue, I suspect an inexperienced left wing ideologue. Imagine, a Briton complaining that the EU has an unelected head of state In reality there is no President of the EU, the post does not exist However, the President of the European Parliament is elected by members of the European Parliament, who themselves are elected by the people of Europe, not really any different to our Prime Minister. The President of the European Council is elected by the heads of government of member states. The President of the European Commission is officialy proposed by the European Council. We were never forced into a supernational state, it was a key manifesto pledge of Edward Heaths at the general election of 1970. In 1975 the Labour government put the question of membership to the electorate, and by an overwhelming majority, we voted to REMAIN. As for been a "left wing ideologue" ... It was a Conservative government who lobbied and took us into the EU, it was a succession of Conservative governments who took us deeper into the EU, including signing up for Freedom Of Movement, of which for some very odd reason, Blair seems to get blamed for. EU membership is not, and never has been a Left wing idea or principle, there are many leading Tories who have always been in favour of our membership. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 17, 2024 11:15:25 GMT
You do not have to be, or need to be a racist to be a British patriot I am a British patriot, proud to be British, I have sworn allegiance to The Crown, but I hate and detest racism and bigotry. I find it utterly arrogant of the Right to try and hijack patriotism as belonging only to them, but the "lefty" leader of the Labour Party is fighting back and winning - with his insistence of using the Union Flag on leaflets and posters. AS regards "Free Speech" which is a precious thing, free speech should not be used as an excuse to in order to spread hatred, or to use the "N" word against black people or incite violence towards people of a different faith, race, colour, nationality or sexuality. But the left have sought to destroy everything this country stood for and have succeeded in doing that for decades. How can anyone claim to stand for anything Tbe United Kingdom was yet vote for and actively enjoy engineering its destruction ? So Johnson illegally proroguing Parliament was "the left" destroying everything this country stood for? The current Government stating it is willing to break laws we signed up to in order to push through its legally questionable Rwanda policy is "the left" destroying everything this country stood for? What is sounds like you really hate is Democracy. All The Best |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 17, 2024 11:30:51 GMT
Texans like all Americans have very little history. They love us because we have lots of history. So lets put that to bed. To suggest that being forced into a supranational state in which electorates have no control over their unelected president or executive is a good thing, suggests to me that you are beyond help. You are brainwashed. You are a left wing ideologue, I suspect an inexperienced left wing ideologue. Imagine, a Briton complaining that the EU has an unelected head of state In reality there is no President of the EU, the post does not exist However, the President of the European Parliament is elected by members of the European Parliament, who themselves are elected by the people of Europe, not really any different to our Prime Minister. The President of the European Council is elected by the heads of government of member states. The President of the European Commission is officialy proposed by the European Council. We were never forced into a supernational state, it was a key manifesto pledge of Edward Heaths at the general election of 1970. In 1975 the Labour government put the question of membership to the electorate, and by an overwhelming majority, we voted to REMAIN. As for been a "left wing ideologue" ... It was a Conservative government who lobbied and took us into the EU, it was a succession of Conservative governments who took us deeper into the EU, including signing up for Freedom Of Movement, of which for some very odd reason, Blair seems to get blamed for. EU membership is not, and never has been a Left wing idea or principle, there are many leading Tories who have always been in favour of our membership. . Nothing like the same To which EU constituency /area was the current EU president (or any predecessor)democratically elected by the constituents to represent? |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 17, 2024 11:35:57 GMT
Imagine, a Briton complaining that the EU has an unelected head of state In reality there is no President of the EU, the post does not exist However, the President of the European Parliament is elected by members of the European Parliament, who themselves are elected by the people of Europe, not really any different to our Prime Minister. The President of the European Council is elected by the heads of government of member states. The President of the European Commission is officialy proposed by the European Council. We were never forced into a supernational state, it was a key manifesto pledge of Edward Heaths at the general election of 1970. In 1975 the Labour government put the question of membership to the electorate, and by an overwhelming majority, we voted to REMAIN. As for been a "left wing ideologue" ... It was a Conservative government who lobbied and took us into the EU, it was a succession of Conservative governments who took us deeper into the EU, including signing up for Freedom Of Movement, of which for some very odd reason, Blair seems to get blamed for. EU membership is not, and never has been a Left wing idea or principle, there are many leading Tories who have always been in favour of our membership. . Nothing like the same To which EU constituency /area was the current EU president (or any predecessor)democratically elected by the constituents to represent? So, is that not the same as how a US President is elected? They stand for the position of POTUS without being elected to represent a specific constituency? If that were the case you would also be arguing that the US is not a democracy? All The Best |
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