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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 22, 2022 4:56:46 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 6:06:42 GMT
No one knows the sorts of pressures she went through while she was being 'groomed' the only way to really know is to bring her back and find out.
There seems to be a belief that 'she' was free to say and do what she wanted, but.........
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 22, 2022 7:10:21 GMT
No one knows the sorts of pressures she went through while she was being 'groobelievehe only way to really know is to bring her back and find out. There seems to be a belief that 'she' was free to say and do what she wanted, but......... That comment came out in 2017 about the manchester terroist atttack think she was in a refuge camp then. anyway do you believe she was trafficked to syria what is known her and her siblings left for syria on there own accord . what led to that decsion no one knows for sure.Anyway im sure her socliters will preed her case . |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 22, 2022 7:49:06 GMT
The case against her being allowed to come back rests on the fact that she represents a security risk - regardless of whether or not she was "trafficked" whatever that means. She certainly is a security risk as she became a willing member of IS which is a proscribed organisation and one of the most vicious terrorist organisations in the world.
The "White Widow" - the widow of one of the notorious 7/7 bombers - always claimed that she had nothing to do with the bombings and knew nothing about it until it happened. She fooled the police so completely that she wasn't even put under surveillance - and she spent her time visiting another muslim terrorist in Long Lartin jail and organising terrorist attacks all over the world for him. Yet the police knew nothing about it until she debunked to North Africa to organise her own attacks. They then found her diaries which described her intimate involvement in the 7/7 attacks. These people are consummate liars.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 22, 2022 7:56:21 GMT
She has already admitted it was her decision to travel to Syria - so calling that trafficked is a bit of a leap..
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Post by Morgan on Nov 22, 2022 8:08:19 GMT
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Post by Handyman on Nov 22, 2022 8:25:54 GMT
She should never be allowed back into the UK, she and her two friends knew exactly what they were doing, Begum was not a silly little schoolgirl far from it apparently an A Class student, the trio had no trouble getting to Turkey and knew where to find someone who could smuggle them over the border and into Syria.
Within days she married an ISIS Terrorist and soon fell pregnant, he was later killed, and she moved on to another she had three children all died, we do not know what she did in Syria, it is thought she may have been part of the " Morality Police" a group of brutal women who beat and even killed other women if they were not dressed correctly.
MI5 state that she is still a Security Risk to the UK, that is good enough for me we don't need another Trojan Horse in the UK, the Security Services can't keep all of them under surveillance as it is, why allow another one in
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 8:31:17 GMT
The case against her being allowed to come back rests on the fact that she represents a security risk - regardless of whether or not she was "trafficked" whatever that means. She certainly is a security risk as she became a willing member of IS which is a proscribed organisation and one of the most vicious terrorist organisations in the world. The "White Widow" - the widow of one of the notorious 7/7 bombers - always claimed that she had nothing to do with the bombings and knew nothing about it until it happened. She fooled the police so completely that she wasn't even put under surveillance - and she spent her time visiting another muslim terrorist in Long Lartin jail and organising terrorist attacks all over the world for him. Yet the police knew nothing about it until she debunked to North Africa to organise her own attacks. They then found her diaries which described her intimate involvement in the 7/7 attacks. These people are consummate liars. You cannot say if she became a willing member of IS because you don't know she did. As an example, there are plenty of women and men that stay in abusive relationships because their partner manipulates them. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 8:33:13 GMT
She has already admitted it was her decision to travel to Syria - so calling that trafficked is a bit of a leap.. What evidence do you have to make the claim "so calling that trafficked is a bit of a leap"? People, especially women are subjected to all sorts of manipulation and will 'admit' to things they have not done. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 22, 2022 8:43:28 GMT
She has already admitted it was her decision to travel to Syria - so calling that trafficked is a bit of a leap.. What evidence do you have to make the claim "so calling that trafficked is a bit of a leap"? People, especially women are subjected to all sorts of manipulation and will 'admit' to things they have not done. Begum and her friends flew from Gatwick to Istanbul, where they then got a bus to southern Turkey. At any point in that journey she could have turned round and gone home. Not many trafficked people can claim that. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 8:48:11 GMT
What evidence do you have to make the claim "so calling that trafficked is a bit of a leap"? People, especially women are subjected to all sorts of manipulation and will 'admit' to things they have not done. Begum and her friends flew from Gatwick to Istanbul, where they then got a bus to southern Turkey. At any point in that journey she could have turned round and gone home. Not many trafficked people can claim that. I feel for you. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2022 8:57:52 GMT
People feel a certain amount of 'sympathy for a white woman that continually goes back into a manipulative, abusive relationship and ends up getting maimed or murdered. They could have by all accounts 'left' anytime but they do not.
One has to wonder why this woman/young girl as she is not shown the same sort of compassion.
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Post by see2 on Nov 22, 2022 9:30:27 GMT
People feel a certain amount of 'sympathy for a white woman that continually goes back into a manipulative, abusive relationship and ends up getting maimed or murdered. They could have by all accounts 'left' anytime but they do not. One has to wonder why this woman/young girl as she is not shown the same sort of compassion. I don't think we should think of females to be inferior to males other than perhaps in physical strength. The problem with radicalization is that it takes place in the emotional/sensory part of the brain. From there it influences and sometimes controls thoughts and actions through feelings, i.e. through changing the mix of hormones in the body. The emotional/sensory part of the brain learns, remembers and reacts, it does not and cannot either rationalise or apply logic. Whatever it learns it holds to be true until it l earns differently. Fear is used in order to embed radicalization which is then held in place by fear. Asking someone to drop their radicalization is like asking a soldier to walk unarmed into the face of the enemy. |
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Post by dappy on Nov 22, 2022 10:27:05 GMT
Begum as a child acted stupidly and naively helped it seems by Western Intelligence. It appears she acted out of free will but as she was a child her capacity for free will judgements is generally held to be impaired. She has become the media face of IS in the UK and her case is politicised as a result. She has ceased to be judged as a human being for her actions as a child and is now a poster girl being punished for the actions of the movement of which she was a minor part. Less high profile people involved to a much greater extent in IS have returned to the country with no fanfare and no tabloid headlines. Her treatment is not fair but is sadly the way of the world in these media driven days with spineless politicians being far more interested in tabloid headlines than in doing the right thing.
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 22, 2022 10:41:40 GMT
People feel a certain amount of 'sympathy for a white woman that continually goes back into a manipulative, abusive relationship and ends up getting maimed or murdered. They could have by all accounts 'left' anytime but they do not. One has to wonder why this woman/young girl as she is not shown the same sort of compassion. The only one who was manipulative and abusive in her relationships was her towards her partners, this cunning conniving devious head worker, she was recruiting suicide bombers, and she didn't give a fuck what age or sex they were, let's just hope the decision makers aren't as dumb as you.
metro.co.uk/2019/04/14/shamima-begum-stitched-suicide-bombers-vests-carried-rifle-isis-9198869/
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