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Post by ratcliff on Apr 4, 2024 10:14:06 GMT
My google worked - has your google broken? In his speech today he said: "A Welsh Labour government is the living proof of what Labour in power looks like, how things can be done differently and better. You demonstrate daily the difference Labour really makes. A blueprint for what Labour can do across the UK.
"My plan is to deliver a UK Labour government that can match that. Imagine what we could do if we had this Welsh Government working together with a Labour Government in Westminster – what a change we could make. And what a difference we could bring to millions of lives.
"That isn’t a pipe dream: That it is our mission. We are not just on the road to the locals this May, we are on the road to the next General Election. Whether it’s next year or the year after, the General Election approaches, it is our chance to replicate what we see in Wales right across the UK."www.itv.com/news/wales/2022-03-12/keir-starmer-points-to-welsh-labour-government-as-blueprint-for-ukThanks. It seems that Starmer got carried away with the English / Welsh agreement on how Ukrainian refugees should be treated. 2022 was the recovery period from Covid, it was a bad time for all of the UK none of which came out looking good. So just what the Welsh proposed at that time is an unknown. What actually happened wasn't good. Starmer was full of praise at that point, not sure he would be so full of praise today. I don't blame the Tories for making as much propaganda as possible from this, propaganda is all they have to offer. Eh? He was hung up on Ukrainian refugees? Your overused pro everything Labour imagination is running riot as usual |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 4, 2024 10:24:39 GMT
£100m is out of the NHS budget, so it is real money. The £66b figures you keep quoting are not straight forward. When you reduce one tax it often increases the amount received on a different tax, or it increases the acceptance of the tax, and more people engage with the tax and you end up taking more total tax in.Department budgets are real, forecasts of taxes raised / growth are just made up bollocks... but just the right amount of bollocks so you can sneak it past the Office for Budget Responsibility. Truss was an idiot, she caused a run on the market and a big problem for anybody that needed a mortgage during those weeks of uncertainty. Remember it wasn't what she announced that caused the problems, it was the fact that she ignored procedure and didn't run her plans past the OBS for analysis. This lack of analysis allowed the markets snakes to create uncertainty, which they used to make a fast buck. Correct. The £30 Billion Truss wasted has had time to be looked at with that in mind; maybe Sunak's £36 Billion has not yet - but does anyopne see any of the demographic he handed money to handing any of it to the NHS? Oh it was definitely WHAT Truss announced that caused the issue, not how she announced. She announced unfunded and unsustainable Tax Cuts - and everyone except her and Kwarteng knew that. All The Best Government spending requires funding Tax cuts do not require funding |
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Post by see2 on Apr 4, 2024 10:26:25 GMT
Thanks. It seems that Starmer got carried away with the English / Welsh agreement on how Ukrainian refugees should be treated. 2022 was the recovery period from Covid, it was a bad time for all of the UK none of which came out looking good. So just what the Welsh proposed at that time is an unknown. What actually happened wasn't good. Starmer was full of praise at that point, not sure he would be so full of praise today. I don't blame the Tories for making as much propaganda as possible from this, propaganda is all they have to offer. Eh? He was hung up on Ukrainian refugees? Your overused pro everything Labour imagination is running riot as usual I'm not interested in discussing your opinions. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 4, 2024 10:29:01 GMT
Labour in Wales are even worse - so much for a blueprint for a Starmer Government... Patients in Wales faced the longest waiting times to start treatment at an average of 81 days for radiotherapy compared with 79 days in Scotland, 63 days in England and just 44 in Norway. Waiting times for chemotherapy in Wales were also long at 58 days compared with 48 days in England,
No one is claiming anything different about the actual failings of the Welsh NHS. |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 4, 2024 10:42:30 GMT
Eh? He was hung up on Ukrainian refugees? Your overused pro everything Labour imagination is running riot as usual I'm not interested in discussing your opinions. Your post I replied to only stated your opinions with no factual basis whatsoever As usual |
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Post by see2 on Apr 4, 2024 10:42:44 GMT
1. That is why I did not infer anything, I referred to a possibility. In the absence of anything concrete that he was alluding to, one can only guess. AFAIA, he was referring to the period leading up to an election, so again nothing concrete. I see absolutely no reason for you to get carried away about the Ukrainian comment. 2. What failed NL experiment are you referring to? Are you confusing NL with the international financial meltdown with its knock on affects that sent a financial ripple of economic uncertainty around the world? The rest of your extremely shabby post immediately hit the bin where it belonged. 3. Nope, if anything it might tell us two things, A. Just how bad the Conservatives are, B. Just how far up your own jacksie you are. 4. Conservative propaganda has done immeasurable damage to the New Labour cause, often aided and abetted by misguided posters like yourself. 5. I don't have to blame the "GLOBAL FINANCIAL CRISIS" it is self obvious to anyone with an open and unbiased mind.  1) Lie he was clearly talking about how he saw things AFTER the General Election, which can not possibly only have been fought on a few weeks if support for Ukrainian Refugees in Wales. 2) Blaming the financial meltdown for NuLabs failures to adequately protect the UK economy by diversifying it away from the FSS. 3) The poll did not aske any questions about my jacksie. It showed that Labour and Starmer especially are at appalling low approval ratings, even when the opposition is in free-fall and destroying itself day by day. 4) No, NuLab did damage to NuLab's cause by a) being financially incompetent, and b) betraying their core voting demographic. 5) Well, if you don't have to why did you do EXACTLY that in 2)? So stupid / blinkered / illiterate (delete as appropriate) you can't even keep track of your own lies over a few hundred words. All The Best Back to childish claims of lying. Grow up if you wish to debate. I will come back on your accusation of lying. 2. Diversifying from a very successful FSS is a totally hindsight conclusion. 3. I'm not interested in your biased conclusions. Lets see what the electorate have to say come the election. 4. Just more of your worthless biased opinions. 5. You choose to ignore that which is self evident, that's your choice. Your unprovable opinions are running wild, and are best ignored. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 4, 2024 10:44:10 GMT
I'm not interested in discussing your opinions. Your post I replied to only stated your opinions with no factual basis whatsoever As usual And your post exposes the nonsense that drifts between your ears. |
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Post by Pacifico on Apr 4, 2024 10:45:36 GMT
Labour in Wales are even worse - so much for a blueprint for a Starmer Government... Patients in Wales faced the longest waiting times to start treatment at an average of 81 days for radiotherapy compared with 79 days in Scotland, 63 days in England and just 44 in Norway. Waiting times for chemotherapy in Wales were also long at 58 days compared with 48 days in England,
No one is claiming anything different about the actual failings of the Welsh NHS. If Labour cannot run the Welsh NHS why would they do better when trying to run the English NHS? |
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Post by see2 on Apr 4, 2024 10:54:20 GMT
"Sir Keir was asked if the Welsh Labour government was still the "blueprint for what Labour could do in government across the UK". It was a phrase he used at the Welsh Labour conference in Llandudno last year. 2022"An incoming Labour government would work with the Welsh government to overcome the challenges. "What we've got at the moment is a Westminster government that just is in constant conflict with the Welsh government. "In the end, that doesn't really help anybody. "So I think it'd be a different mindset if you like, if we're able to win that general election." www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-wales-politics-67019443 |
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Post by see2 on Apr 4, 2024 11:02:26 GMT
No one is claiming anything different about the actual failings of the Welsh NHS. If Labour cannot run the Welsh NHS why would they do better when trying to run the English NHS? Why the nonsense insinuating question? The two are literally miles apart. New Labour did many good things in rescuing the NHS from nearly two decades of Conservative destruction. |
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Post by see2 on Apr 4, 2024 11:19:40 GMT
I'm not interested in discussing your opinions. Your post I replied to only stated your opinions with no factual basis whatsoever As usual No it didn't. I also referred to what I read. The criticisms of Labour referred to comments made a year earlier at a Welsh Conference meeting. The comments by Starmer referred to cooperation between England and Wales if the Starmer wins the next general election. --"My plan is to deliver a UK Labour government. "Imagine what we could do if we had this Welsh Government working together with a Labour Government in Westminster – what a change we could make. And what a difference we could bring to millions of lives. Apart from any actual aims, it does look to me a bit like Starmer buttering up Welsh Labour. That isn't my opinion, that is an actual comment. |
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Post by dodgydave on Apr 4, 2024 12:32:27 GMT
£100m is out of the NHS budget, so it is real money. The £66b figures you keep quoting are not straight forward. When you reduce one tax it often increases the amount received on a different tax, or it increases the acceptance of the tax, and more people engage with the tax and you end up taking more total tax in.Department budgets are real, forecasts of taxes raised / growth are just made up bollocks... but just the right amount of bollocks so you can sneak it past the Office for Budget Responsibility. Truss was an idiot, she caused a run on the market and a big problem for anybody that needed a mortgage during those weeks of uncertainty. Remember it wasn't what she announced that caused the problems, it was the fact that she ignored procedure and didn't run her plans past the OBS for analysis. This lack of analysis allowed the markets snakes to create uncertainty, which they used to make a fast buck. Correct. The £30 Billion Truss wasted has had time to be looked at with that in mind; maybe Sunak's £36 Billion has not yet - but does anyopne see any of the demographic he handed money to handing any of it to the NHS? Oh it was definitely WHAT Truss announced that caused the issue, not how she announced. She announced unfunded and unsustainable Tax Cuts - and everyone except her and Kwarteng knew that. All The Best Nope, that is just spin, like claims she "crashed the economy", and claiming she is response for high interest rates. The markets don't care about tax cuts, they care about the knowing the effect of it... by not providing the analysis she stopped financial institutions from being able to predict the future market. So she was a massive idiot, just not for the reasons you think. If what you are saying is true then the markets would have taken a shit during covid, because sure as shit that £600b wasn't funded or sustainable lol. |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 4, 2024 15:47:04 GMT
Correct. The £30 Billion Truss wasted has had time to be looked at with that in mind; maybe Sunak's £36 Billion has not yet - but does anyopne see any of the demographic he handed money to handing any of it to the NHS? Oh it was definitely WHAT Truss announced that caused the issue, not how she announced. She announced unfunded and unsustainable Tax Cuts - and everyone except her and Kwarteng knew that. All The Best Government spending requires funding Tax cuts do not require funding They do when the money they should have raised has already been committed - which by the way is how UK Government work, commits to spending then raises revenue to cover that spending. All The Best |
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Post by ratcliff on Apr 5, 2024 14:21:34 GMT
Government spending requires funding Tax cuts do not require funding They do when the money they should have raised has already been committed - which by the way is how UK Government work, commits to spending then raises revenue to cover that spending. All The Best As I stated (and you agree from your post - though you will pretend that you do not) , government spending requires funding , tax cuts do not require funding |
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Post by ProVeritas on Apr 5, 2024 20:11:37 GMT
They do when the money they should have raised has already been committed - which by the way is how UK Government work, commits to spending then raises revenue to cover that spending. All The Best As I stated (and you agree from your post - though you will pretend that you do not) , government spending requires funding , tax cuts do not require funding I don't agree. Taxes that would have raised revenue that has already been committed to a budget NEED to be funded; otherwise budgets that have already been set and perhaps allocated have to retrospectively be cut. It is not too hard a concept to grasp, so I assume you ignoring on ideological grounds, rather than practical ones. All The Best |
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