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Post by Handyman on Mar 30, 2024 9:47:36 GMT
When the NHS was created on the basis that treating the sick would allow spending to fall, then it's hardly surprising that it has lurched from one financial crisis to another ever since 1948. Money alone will not solve its problem it never has , it is badly run that is problem and wastes money 24/7 plus the fact the population is much larger than it was back in the 40's 50's 60's and we are living longer |
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Post by see2 on Mar 30, 2024 10:21:52 GMT
"Then MAYBE" LOL. There is a reality between 1980 and now that probably try to hide under many Tory 'maybes' as they try to avoid the realities. Stop talking in riddles, you know fully well and so do the lefty Unions and junior doctors that their despicable striking actions are costing lives, but guess what lefty .... they don't care.
Labour don't care about lives they use them to score political points, like the did with COVID, exploiting dead people and families to get a leg up the political ladder and make gains in the polls, that why the lefty Union junior doctors are striking and that's why because of their despicable actions waiting lists are getting long and longer, it's all political.
1. The recent strikes taking place are a product of the long term stupidity over the NHS by the Tories. They are a part of the decades long undermining and underfunding of the NHS by the Tories. If you had one iota of the reality you wouldn't be looking for excuses for the Tories. The recent revelation, backed with information, of the £11 billion stolen from the NHS Maintenance reserve for the NHS and used in their failed attempt to fund the NHS properly is evidence of both the economical failure of the Tories, and of their duplicity between them and the people. Ranting on with distortions and lying excuses, that are a product of your own desperate attempt to blame Labour for everything, only exposes your own duplicity. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 30, 2024 10:29:11 GMT
When the NHS was created on the basis that treating the sick would allow spending to fall, then it's hardly surprising that it has lurched from one financial crisis to another ever since 1948. Money alone will not solve its problem it never has , it is badly run that is problem and wastes money 24/7 plus the fact the population is much larger than it was back in the 40's 50's 60's and we are living longer Yes many problems concerning the NHS need to be addressed. IMO they need to be addressed without throwing the baby out with the bathwater. Perhaps Starmer is onto something with his -- "Labour leader Sir Keir Starmer has said the NHS must reform in order to survive. He told the BBC the NHS should always be free at the point of use but there was also a role for the private sector, including to help clear waiting lists." -- www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-64279654#:~:text=Labour%20leader%20Sir% |
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Post by see2 on Mar 30, 2024 10:40:30 GMT
As per usual under Tory administration since 1980, the NHS is killing people. So Come to Wales, where you can die of it as a result of LABOUR Clusterfucks since 1999 It appears to be the case that NHS England is not quite as bad as NHS Wales. I think that is down to the Welsh. I have a soft spot for Wales and the Welsh people having spent about 18 months is South Wales as an evacuee back in the early 1940s. |
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Cancer.
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 30, 2024 11:33:02 GMT
So Come to Wales, where you can die of it as a result of LABOUR Clusterfucks since 1999 It appears to be the case that NHS England is not quite as bad as NHS Wales. I think that is down to the Welsh. I have a soft spot for Wales and the Welsh people having spent about 18 months is South Wales as an evacuee back in the early 1940s. Since being split off in in 1999 not a single metric concerned with NHS treatment has been better in Wales. The Welsh Assembly were so pissed off with ambulance call out times in particular being missed they changed the targets to ones where failure was only marked as such when the neighbours moaned about the stench of decomposition to the council before the ambulance crew got there so they could then boast they met their target if 95% attendance A geriatric was left with a fractured hip on the floor for a number of hours eventually being taken to the hospital in a builders van strapped to a plank. He died of injuries exacerbated by the transport. In my own case my wife choked to the point of no pulse no breathing having fallen down the stairs and my daughter who resuscitated her foolishly told the 999 handler she had succeeded in clearing the airway so they stood the ambulance down and left her lying in half a pint of her blood and would have left her there for six hours. I risked paralysing her taking her with a face and neck injury to A&E in the car without a back brace. No one will process my complaint, citing 'data privacy' issues. My wife cringes at the memory and won't ursue a complaint herself This is the NHS Wales |
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Post by Pacifico on Mar 30, 2024 18:14:53 GMT
It appears to be the case that NHS England is not quite as bad as NHS Wales. I think that is down to the Welsh. I have a soft spot for Wales and the Welsh people having spent about 18 months is South Wales as an evacuee back in the early 1940s. Since being split off in in 1999 not a single metric concerned with NHS treatment has been better in Wales. Thats a bit of a blow as Wales is the blueprint for a Starmer Government...  "A Welsh Labour government is the living proof of what Labour in power looks like, how things can be done differently and better. You demonstrate daily the difference Labour really makes. A blueprint for what Labour can do across the UK."
Keir Starmer... |
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Cancer.
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Post by johnofgwent on Mar 30, 2024 18:22:07 GMT
Indeed. I sometimes wonder if Starmer has even looked at hiw hated Wankford and Co have become and how truly, prolifically wasteful they truly are.
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 30, 2024 18:26:48 GMT
It appears to be the case that NHS England is not quite as bad as NHS Wales. I think that is down to the Welsh. I have a soft spot for Wales and the Welsh people having spent about 18 months is South Wales as an evacuee back in the early 1940s. Since being split off in in 1999 not a single metric concerned with NHS treatment has been better in Wales. The Welsh Assembly were so pissed off with ambulance call out times in particular being missed they changed the targets to ones where failure was only marked as such when the neighbours moaned about the stench of decomposition to the council before the ambulance crew got there so they could then boast they met their target if 95% attendance A geriatric was left with a fractured hip on the floor for a number of hours eventually being taken to the hospital in a builders van strapped to a plank. He died of injuries exacerbated by the transport. In my own case my wife choked to the point of no pulse no breathing having fallen down the stairs and my daughter who resuscitated her foolishly told the 999 handler she had succeeded in clearing the airway so they stood the ambulance down and left her lying in half a pint of her blood and would have left her there for six hours. I risked paralysing her taking her with a face and neck injury to A&E in the car without a back brace. No one will process my complaint, citing 'data privacy' issues. My wife cringes at the memory and won't ursue a complaint herself This is the NHS Wales We've got a place in Wales, I was talking to a few of the locals and they were on about the NHS, apparently a lot of Welsh cancer sufferers have to go to a hospital in a place called the Wirral Cheshire (England) where there is a Cancer specialist hospital, when they receive their Cancer treatment, they were saying people use motor homes or caravans and actually stay on the hospital carpark grounds because saves them going back and forth to Wales.
I asked why they were all traveling out of Wales to use a English NHS........ they said the Welsh cancer hospitals are nowhere near as good as the English ones, so Starmer/Labour are talking absolute bullshit.
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 30, 2024 18:59:26 GMT
Regardless of Tory or Labour the NHS has become an anvil around the governments neck and both the Tories and Labour are to blame. It has become the political hot potato that every opposition uses to bash the government with, which has turned the NHS into a seemingly bottomless money pit that dare not be touched. The fact is the NHS is not the envy of the world, the government should bite the bullit and accept the inevitable, the NHS is past it's sell by date and needs massive reform.
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Post by bancroft on Mar 30, 2024 19:33:03 GMT
My Dad is on medication and got blocked up and now needs to eat loads of chocolate and biscuits to stay regular.
Alcohol is a major factor in cancer nearly all intelligent people know this as the big drinkers tend to get it.
We have been accustomed to drink regularly and it is the facilitator of socialising in Western Societies.
Three people I know in their 50s have all had it and I think in two it is coming back. All I would say is they led pretty full-on lives by going out often and drinking.
With the older people fair enough if they get in their 70s, 'three score years and ten' seems acceptable.
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Post by see2 on Mar 30, 2024 21:44:05 GMT
It appears to be the case that NHS England is not quite as bad as NHS Wales. I think that is down to the Welsh. I have a soft spot for Wales and the Welsh people having spent about 18 months is South Wales as an evacuee back in the early 1940s. Since being split off in in 1999 not a single metric concerned with NHS treatment has been better in Wales. The Welsh Assembly were so pissed off with ambulance call out times in particular being missed they changed the targets to ones where failure was only marked as such when the neighbours moaned about the stench of decomposition to the council before the ambulance crew got there so they could then boast they met their target if 95% attendance A geriatric was left with a fractured hip on the floor for a number of hours eventually being taken to the hospital in a builders van strapped to a plank. He died of injuries exacerbated by the transport. In my own case my wife choked to the point of no pulse no breathing having fallen down the stairs and my daughter who resuscitated her foolishly told the 999 handler she had succeeded in clearing the airway so they stood the ambulance down and left her lying in half a pint of her blood and would have left her there for six hours. I risked paralysing her taking her with a face and neck injury to A&E in the car without a back brace. No one will process my complaint, citing 'data privacy' issues. My wife cringes at the memory and won't ursue a complaint herself This is the NHS Wales I have been aware for some time that Welsh NHS is in a bad way. That seems sad to me because IIRC the idea of a NHS springs from the self help organisations that existed in Wales before the NHS existed. The idea is good so what went wrong? Is it mostly to do with Wales loss of financial income as a country? |
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Post by see2 on Mar 30, 2024 21:50:18 GMT
Since being split off in in 1999 not a single metric concerned with NHS treatment has been better in Wales. Thats a bit of a blow as Wales is the blueprint for a Starmer Government... "A Welsh Labour government is the living proof of what Labour in power looks like, how things can be done differently and better. You demonstrate daily the difference Labour really makes. A blueprint for what Labour can do across the UK."
Keir Starmer... Only a stupid individual would think that Starmer was referring to todays Welsh NHS. Care to put a date on when IF Starmer made that comment AND the context in which he would have made such a comment? |
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Post by see2 on Mar 30, 2024 21:57:07 GMT
Since being split off in in 1999 not a single metric concerned with NHS treatment has been better in Wales. The Welsh Assembly were so pissed off with ambulance call out times in particular being missed they changed the targets to ones where failure was only marked as such when the neighbours moaned about the stench of decomposition to the council before the ambulance crew got there so they could then boast they met their target if 95% attendance A geriatric was left with a fractured hip on the floor for a number of hours eventually being taken to the hospital in a builders van strapped to a plank. He died of injuries exacerbated by the transport. In my own case my wife choked to the point of no pulse no breathing having fallen down the stairs and my daughter who resuscitated her foolishly told the 999 handler she had succeeded in clearing the airway so they stood the ambulance down and left her lying in half a pint of her blood and would have left her there for six hours. I risked paralysing her taking her with a face and neck injury to A&E in the car without a back brace. No one will process my complaint, citing 'data privacy' issues. My wife cringes at the memory and won't ursue a complaint herself This is the NHS Wales We've got a place in Wales, I was talking to a few of the locals and they were on about the NHS, apparently a lot of Welsh cancer sufferers have to go to a hospital in a place called the Wirral Cheshire (England) where there is a Cancer specialist hospital, when they receive their Cancer treatment, they were saying people use motor homes or caravans and actually stay on the hospital carpark grounds because saves them going back and forth to Wales.
I asked why they were all traveling out of Wales to use a English NHS........ they said the Welsh cancer hospitals are nowhere near as good as the English ones, so Starmer/Labour are talking absolute bullshit.
Either that or Pacifico's comment is entirely either wrong, or is out of context making his post 'absolute bullshit'. I have asked him to date his comment and to put it into the context in which it was made, if in fact Starmer did make such a comment. |
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Post by see2 on Mar 30, 2024 21:59:10 GMT
Regardless of Tory or Labour the NHS has become an anvil around the governments neck and both the Tories and Labour are to blame. It has become the political hot potato that every opposition uses to bash the government with, which has turned the NHS into a seemingly bottomless money pit that dare not be touched. The fact is the NHS is not the envy of the world, the government should bite the bullit and accept the inevitable, the NHS is past it's sell by date and needs massive reform. Your misguided opinion doesn't help. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 30, 2024 22:16:01 GMT
Regardless of Tory or Labour the NHS has become an anvil around the governments neck and both the Tories and Labour are to blame. It has become the political hot potato that every opposition uses to bash the government with, which has turned the NHS into a seemingly bottomless money pit that dare not be touched. The fact is the NHS is not the envy of the world, the government should bite the bullit and accept the inevitable, the NHS is past it's sell by date and needs massive reform. Your misguided opinion doesn't help. Obviously it will not help you, you're a misguided ideological lefty, and you have my sympathies. However, it may be of interest to the more enlightened. |
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