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Post by jaydee on Nov 22, 2022 12:18:30 GMT
The Australian and New Zealand deal will destroy the UK farming industry. But then business in the UK, as the CBI are pointing out. Want to deals with customers 20 miles away across the channel. Tariff and red tape free. With the largest trading bloc in the world. Not on the other side of the globe. But heh why let facts get in the road. Alarmist exaggeration regurgitated by the MSM. Putting aside the fact the farming sector is in no position to negotiate trade deals, other countries who export their meat to the UK would be bigger losers - namely places like Ireland. Prior to the UK joining the protectionist bloc Australian meat exports only accounted for 4-5% in the UK as opposed to the current 1% under protectionist barriers placed up by French farmers and the EU. Australian and New Zealand export meat markets target Asia and the Middle-East where the prices are attractive for them. The UK will not be able to divert their trade away enough to be significant to British farmers, Asia and ME will see to that. Domestic products always enjoy a 'home bias' and a fair amount of British farms are heavily subsidised and still running at a loss. Also, seasonal factors between the UK and Australia are inverted so a supply of lamb will be abundant from Australia when they are less abundant in the UK. Why do you think UK lamb farmers have still managed well when NZ have been exporting their lamb to the UK for the last 50 odd years? Too many people regurgitate the MSM fear stories. They believe that the EU dogma model of cheap labour, bloated welfare, corporations lobbying to regulate and throttle the life out of entrepreneurship is the only way a nation can live economically. It's BS. We're now a nation hooked on cheap migrant labour. According to such folk, being well paid for your labour isn't possible anymore in this system. Subsidised-profit-losing farms have been cushioned by protectionist policies whereby they now believe they should be blocking trade deals, when their Australian counterparts don't even have the luxury of being subsidised by their government. Time to get real and stop living in a state of managed decline. OK so how about you getting real and tell me how the Australian deal will not ruin the UK farming industry. www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/23/irresponsible-australia-trade-deal-will-bring-ruin-for-uk-farmers-critics-warnwww.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deal-australia-agriculture-b1980000.htmlwww.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/rishi-sunak-is-dead-wrong-about-uk-farming-and-the-australian-trade-deal/www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news-liz-truss-australia-trade-deal-brexit-farmers-7995452/ |
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Post by borchester on Nov 22, 2022 12:26:30 GMT
Alarmist exaggeration regurgitated by the MSM. Putting aside the fact the farming sector is in no position to negotiate trade deals, other countries who export their meat to the UK would be bigger losers - namely places like Ireland. Prior to the UK joining the protectionist bloc Australian meat exports only accounted for 4-5% in the UK as opposed to the current 1% under protectionist barriers placed up by French farmers and the EU. Australian and New Zealand export meat markets target Asia and the Middle-East where the prices are attractive for them. The UK will not be able to divert their trade away enough to be significant to British farmers, Asia and ME will see to that. Domestic products always enjoy a 'home bias' and a fair amount of British farms are heavily subsidised and still running at a loss. Also, seasonal factors between the UK and Australia are inverted so a supply of lamb will be abundant from Australia when they are less abundant in the UK. Why do you think UK lamb farmers have still managed well when NZ have been exporting their lamb to the UK for the last 50 odd years? Too many people regurgitate the MSM fear stories. They believe that the EU dogma model of cheap labour, bloated welfare, corporations lobbying to regulate and throttle the life out of entrepreneurship is the only way a nation can live economically. It's BS. We're now a nation hooked on cheap migrant labour. According to such folk, being well paid for your labour isn't possible anymore in this system. Subsidised-profit-losing farms have been cushioned by protectionist policies whereby they now believe they should be blocking trade deals, when their Australian counterparts don't even have the luxury of being subsidised by their government. Time to get real and stop living in a state of managed decline. OK so how about you getting real and tell me how the Australian deal will not ruin the UK farming industry. www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/23/irresponsible-australia-trade-deal-will-bring-ruin-for-uk-farmers-critics-warnwww.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deal-australia-agriculture-b1980000.htmlwww.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/rishi-sunak-is-dead-wrong-about-uk-farming-and-the-australian-trade-deal/www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news-liz-truss-australia-trade-deal-brexit-farmers-7995452/Because the UK farming industry is already ruined. Ask any farmer other than Jeremy Clarkson and he will tell you that his or her main crop is tourists. |
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Post by jaydee on Nov 22, 2022 12:41:50 GMT
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Post by Vinny on Nov 22, 2022 12:48:36 GMT
Massive damage was done to the UK farming industry by the EU's ban on British beef decades ago, whilst they covered up for the BSE outbreak in France and other countries.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 22, 2022 13:44:54 GMT
Places like Blackpool have 25 per cent of the working-age population on out-of-work benefits - I somehow doubt that they all have MS.Although it is interesting how times have changed - it used to be that the left in Britain wanted jobs for British workers - now they seem to want jobs for foreign workers and leave British people sitting on the dole.. __"it used to be that the left in Britain wanted jobs for British workers"__ That might be more dishonest propaganda? ^^ Totally fucked reasoning. ^^
People move to cheap areas when they don't have a lot of money and those areas are away from the jobs. Blackpool is like many UK seaside resorts. It's no longer in business. It was a big thing in Victorian times, but the jet engine killed these places, so rather than go unoccupied those who don't work move there. They are smarter than you!
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 22, 2022 14:02:40 GMT
Neither of those things are what I said at all. That's very disingenuous. There are of course many places with higher unemployment. I totally accept that Blackpool is one of those places. My issue was with you using the 5.4m figure for "out of work" benefits, and so have included the sick, disabled and terminally ill, a point that in your responses you have still failed to acknowledge. I fully accept that some small amount of those people may be so sick as to be unable to work - but I certainly do not accept that we should just forget about the vast majority. We used to have programs to get the disabled and long term unemployed into work - yes that was more expensive and difficult for employers but it benefited society. As Starmer now says - the era of cheap imported labour is over. Do you have any stats to back up your numbers? I'm pretty sure you're way out... |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 22, 2022 19:25:36 GMT
Can you support that with any actual evidence? Because nations like Switzerland, Denmark, US, Norway, Singapore, Australia, Canada, Israel and a myriad of others say you're wrong. Maybe first you should show us if any of them has gone on a spree signing up non convergent countries to free trade deals. Average wages in UK: £621 a week Average wages in India: £78 a week ( R387,500 a year) Are you saying you don't realise that free trade with the likes of India will be a recipe for either exporting UK jobs or driving our wages down (or both)? So you can't support that with evidence. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 22, 2022 19:27:35 GMT
Alarmist exaggeration regurgitated by the MSM. Putting aside the fact the farming sector is in no position to negotiate trade deals, other countries who export their meat to the UK would be bigger losers - namely places like Ireland. Prior to the UK joining the protectionist bloc Australian meat exports only accounted for 4-5% in the UK as opposed to the current 1% under protectionist barriers placed up by French farmers and the EU. Australian and New Zealand export meat markets target Asia and the Middle-East where the prices are attractive for them. The UK will not be able to divert their trade away enough to be significant to British farmers, Asia and ME will see to that. Domestic products always enjoy a 'home bias' and a fair amount of British farms are heavily subsidised and still running at a loss. Also, seasonal factors between the UK and Australia are inverted so a supply of lamb will be abundant from Australia when they are less abundant in the UK. Why do you think UK lamb farmers have still managed well when NZ have been exporting their lamb to the UK for the last 50 odd years? Too many people regurgitate the MSM fear stories. They believe that the EU dogma model of cheap labour, bloated welfare, corporations lobbying to regulate and throttle the life out of entrepreneurship is the only way a nation can live economically. It's BS. We're now a nation hooked on cheap migrant labour. According to such folk, being well paid for your labour isn't possible anymore in this system. Subsidised-profit-losing farms have been cushioned by protectionist policies whereby they now believe they should be blocking trade deals, when their Australian counterparts don't even have the luxury of being subsidised by their government. Time to get real and stop living in a state of managed decline. OK so how about you getting real and tell me how the Australian deal will not ruin the UK farming industry. www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/23/irresponsible-australia-trade-deal-will-bring-ruin-for-uk-farmers-critics-warnwww.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/brexit-trade-deal-australia-agriculture-b1980000.htmlwww.briefingsforbritain.co.uk/rishi-sunak-is-dead-wrong-about-uk-farming-and-the-australian-trade-deal/www.theneweuropean.co.uk/brexit-news-liz-truss-australia-trade-deal-brexit-farmers-7995452/Like I said, you're just regurgitating MSM and the farming sector who have been accustomed to protectionist policies. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 22, 2022 21:01:36 GMT
Maybe first you should show us if any of them has gone on a spree signing up non convergent countries to free trade deals. Average wages in UK: £621 a week Average wages in India: £78 a week ( R387,500 a year) Are you saying you don't realise that free trade with the likes of India will be a recipe for either exporting UK jobs or driving our wages down (or both)? So you can't support that with evidence. Except I clearly did. Do click this link www.specsavers.co.uk/eye-test |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 22, 2022 21:19:19 GMT
No a link to specsavers doesn't support your claim that a trade deal with a developing nation will lead to "low wages or high unemployment". |
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Post by Steve on Nov 22, 2022 22:56:46 GMT
No a link to specsavers doesn't support your claim that a trade deal with a developing nation will lead to "low wages or high unemployment". Ah so you don't know the difference between 'evidence' and 'proof'  Well you know full well you wouldn't accept any positioned argument that didn't align with your views so why bother. That you seem to be unaware that free trade globalisation has always led to work migrating to the lowest wages is something I doubt I can fix for you. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 22, 2022 23:10:52 GMT
No a link to specsavers doesn't support your claim that a trade deal with a developing nation will lead to "low wages or high unemployment". Ah so you don't know the difference between 'evidence' and 'proof' Well you know full well you wouldn't accept any positioned argument that didn't align with your views so why bother. That you seem to be unaware that free trade globalisation has always led to work migrating to the lowest wages is something I doubt I can fix for you. So you neither have evidence or proof that a trade deal with India will result in low paid jobs or high unemployment in the UK like you claimed - glad we cleared that up. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 22, 2022 23:18:19 GMT
I mourn your inability to read my post and understand it
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 22, 2022 23:23:31 GMT
I mourn your inability to read my post and understand it You have nothing to support your insular claim that a FTA between the UK and India will bring lower wages and higher unemployment. Face it, you made up a BS claim and couldn't support it. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 23, 2022 7:32:18 GMT
Senior government figures are planning to put Britain on the path towards a Swiss-style relationship with the European Union. The move, intended to forge closer economic ties, is likely to infuriate hardline Conservative Brexiteers. Jeremy Hunt, the chancellor, last week signalled that Rishi Sunak’s administration intends to break from the approach adopted by Boris Johnson and remove the vast majority of trade barriers with the bloc. In private, senior government sources have suggested that pursuing frictionless trade requires moving towards a Swiss-style relationship over the next decade. However, they insist this would not extend to a return to freedom of movement. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-mulls-swiss-style-ties-with-brussels-nr0f7fw2kWith pro EU globalists like Sunak and Hunt in charge it was always going to happen. Perhaps this is the reason they are loathe to upset the EU/Macron over the illegal invasion from France. Unfortunately it doesn't remove ANY barriers to trade. Switzerland trades as a third party country just like we do. So their goods are subject to the same checks that our goods are - except that the EU don't bother to enforce them strictly. They're not trying to punish Switzerland. JHB talked to David Davies yesterday and he said it was rubbish and could only have been invented by someone who knew nothing about the two deals. I was watching Politics Live yesterday (I must be a masochist) and Jo Coburn, talking about this story, said that Switzerland was in the Single Market - that's how much the BBC knows. And Tim Stanley said that we needed tariff-free trade with the EU - but we already have tariff-free trade with the EU. The amount of ignorance is incredible - and none of the other people on the panel knew enough to correct them. Yet we've been talking about this stuff for fucking years. |
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