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Post by Pacifico on Nov 24, 2022 8:01:57 GMT
So several million are capable of work. Given that they are going to need special help and investment to find roles that they can do how does allowing mass unskilled immigration help them - or is your proposal just to write all those people off? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 24, 2022 8:04:33 GMT
So answer my question - how many of that 5 million do you think are incapable of any work at all? Quite a lot actually.
I was a civil servant for a while and we had a lot of God's Walking Wounded who had all sorts of mental and physical problems. But they could find a file and put a letter into an envelope and they were glad of the work because it made them feel of some value. Then computers arrived and files were downloaded rather than pushed around the buildings in hand carts and letters were sent electronically rather than being typed out and all the rest.
So the Civil Service started to quietly get rid of its very low level workers. They were keen to work but the jobs have disappeared and they weren't the sort of folk who could retrain as brain surgeons.
So I would say that there are a lot of people incapable of work because the work isn't there.
Well we still use large numbers of low level workers in the labour force. And as you say, they want to work as it improved their mental wellbeing - helping them should be the priority. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 24, 2022 8:10:35 GMT
Well yes, you could have 2 options there:
1. Stop the students and get them into the workplace instead
2. Convince those already retired that they should go back to work.
And then yes, you could add these to the 1.5m job seekers.
I don't see many retirees willing to go back to work. If anything post pandemic, more over 50s have disappeared from the workforce.
And given the lack of expertise in the UK, I'm not sure that reducing the number of students would be of long term benefit.
So, what was your thinking?
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 24, 2022 8:19:53 GMT
Well take retirees - why are they more prepared to sit at home on welfare than go to work. The obvious case in the media at the moment is Doctors, where they are hitting the lifetime cap on pension contributions and thus being landed with huge tax bills.
At the other end of the job market you can have someone on minimum wage who is in a company that is only offering a 2% payrise - they look around and see welfare recipients getting a 10% payrise.
You look at the reasons for people not being in the job market and tackle those.
Or we can just continue the policy of importing migrants en-masse that has led to a decade of sluggish wage growth and poor productivity.
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 24, 2022 9:52:34 GMT
Well take retirees - why are they more prepared to sit at home on welfare than go to work. The obvious case in the media at the moment is Doctors, where they are hitting the lifetime cap on pension contributions and thus being landed with huge tax bills. At the other end of the job market you can have someone on minimum wage who is in a company that is only offering a 2% payrise - they look around and see welfare recipients getting a 10% payrise. You look at the reasons for people not being in the job market and tackle those. Or we can just continue the policy of importing migrants en-masse that has led to a decade of sluggish wage growth and poor productivity. You do realise that early retirees are not entitled to any welfare? 😂😜 |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 24, 2022 11:33:03 GMT
Well take retirees - why are they more prepared to sit at home on welfare than go to work. The obvious case in the media at the moment is Doctors, where they are hitting the lifetime cap on pension contributions and thus being landed with huge tax bills. At the other end of the job market you can have someone on minimum wage who is in a company that is only offering a 2% payrise - they look around and see welfare recipients getting a 10% payrise. You look at the reasons for people not being in the job market and tackle those. Or we can just continue the policy of importing migrants en-masse that has led to a decade of sluggish wage growth and poor productivity. You do realise that early retirees are not entitled to any welfare? 😂😜 They are negatively affecting the rest of the economy - in the example we have an issue with a shortage of Doctors caused by taxation policy. You have 2 options, you can change taxation policy or you can import more doctors from overseas with the subsequent extra demand that produces negative effects for the rest of the population. Unlimited migration is an issue that even Starmer now seems to accept is a problem. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 24, 2022 12:11:05 GMT
Rubbish, I retired early and continued to pay income tax
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