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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 20, 2022 15:30:18 GMT
Senior government figures are planning to put Britain on the path towards a Swiss-style relationship with the European Union. The move, intended to forge closer economic ties, is likely to infuriate hardline Conservative Brexiteers. Jeremy Hunt, the chancellor, last week signalled that Rishi Sunak’s administration intends to break from the approach adopted by Boris Johnson and remove the vast majority of trade barriers with the bloc. In private, senior government sources have suggested that pursuing frictionless trade requires moving towards a Swiss-style relationship over the next decade. However, they insist this would not extend to a return to freedom of movement. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-mulls-swiss-style-ties-with-brussels-nr0f7fw2kWith pro EU globalists like Sunak and Hunt in charge it was always going to happen. Perhaps this is the reason they are loathe to upset the EU/Macron over the illegal invasion from France. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 20, 2022 15:49:21 GMT
This was always in the cards . Although the leavers won the referendum, there was/ is not enough overall support to make Brexit work .
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 20, 2022 16:28:16 GMT
This was always in the cards . Although the leavers won the referendum, there was/ is not enough overall support to make Brexit work . Whether Brexit is seen as a success, or a failure, totally depends on the people in charge, the electorate are irrelevant. It's well known that Sunak and Hunt are pro EU globalists, they will guide policy in that direction while at all times denying it. As Heath did, as Major did as Blair did. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 20, 2022 16:43:34 GMT
This was always in the cards . Although the leavers won the referendum, there was/ is not enough overall support to make Brexit work . Whether Brexit is seen as a success, or a failure, totally depends on the people in charge, the electorate are irrelevant. It's well known that Sunak and Hunt are pro EU globalists, they will guide policy in that direction while at all times denying it. As Heath did, as Major did as Blair did. Maybe but overall support means business , civil service, media,other countries etc etc too. I just dont think that there was the critical mass of support to make it work. May wanted a deal that took us from being half in to being half out and Johnson gave us an oven ready deal that was still clucking . We needed a commitment that mirrored the new society that was envisaged . Instead the whole thing was stymied at every stage. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 20, 2022 17:09:57 GMT
Senior government figures are planning to put Britain on the path towards a Swiss-style relationBrexitwith the European Union. The move, intended to forge closer economic ties, is likely to infuriate hardline Conservative Brexiteers. Jeremy Hunt, the chancellor, last week signalled that Rishi Sunak’s administration intends to break from the approach adopted by Boris Johnson and remove the vast majority of trade barriers with the bloc. In private, senior government sources have suggested that pursuing frictionless trade requires moving towards a Swiss-style relationship over the next decade. However, they insist this would not extend to a return to freedom of movement. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-mulls-swiss-style-ties-with-brussels-nr0f7fw2kWith pro EU globalists like Sunak and Hunt in charge it was always going to happen. Perhaps this is the reason they are loathe to upset the EU/Macron over the illegal invasion from France. Sunak voted leave and his everyother vote he voted leave. Hunt on the other hand is a remainer . what your saying red your not happy the way Brexit has gone. Both sunak and hunt has come To the reality that trade barriers with the EU has been a economic disaster. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 20, 2022 17:26:11 GMT
TTL, I am aware how Sunak voted in the referendum, he was always a reluctant Brexiteer but that was seven years ago. Anyone who doesn't know that Sunak is a pro EU globalist has not been paying attention.
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Post by patman post on Nov 20, 2022 17:54:11 GMT
Nothing reluctant about Rishi Sunak's support for Brexit.
He was always pro-Brexit, but of a sort of moderate, common sense Brexit, rather than an ideological one,” (Tony Travers, a professor of politics at the London School of Economics).
Sunak voted to leave the EU, and has voted for pro-Brexit policies in Parliament, including voting to leave without a withdrawal agreement in April 2019. At the Conservative Party conference in 2021, Sunak gave a speech saying he was told back in 2016 that if he voted for Brexit, his political career would be 'over before it had even begun' Announcing his intention to vote leave way before the 2016 referendum, Rishi Sunak said "This is a once in a generation opportunity for our country to take back control of its destiny," adding "I believe that our nation will be freer, fairer and more prosperous outside the EU." However, in March 2022 the then-chancellor admitted that Brexit is likely to be one of the reasons for the UK's slump in trade. Speaking to the House of Commons Treasury Committee, Sunak said, "It was always inevitable that there would be a change in our trade intensity with Europe as a result of a change in the trading relationship. That was expected and unsurprising."
As a former hedge fund manager, Sunak understands the value of market confidence and is more likely to get a workable Brexit than the raging Europhobe dinosaurs still found around the UK...
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 20, 2022 18:19:18 GMT
Rishi Sunak voted to leave the EU, and has voted for pro-Brexit policies in Parliament, including voting to leave without a withdrawal agreement in April 2019. At the Conservative Party conference in 2021, Sunak gave a speech saying he was told back in 2016 that if he voted for Brexit, his political career would be 'over before it had even begun' Announcing his intention to vote leave, Rishi Sunak said "This is a once in a generation opportunity for our country to take back control of its destiny," adding "I believe that our nation will be freer, fairer and more prosperous outside the EU." However, in March 2022 the then-chancellor admitted that Brexit is likely to be one of the reasons for the UK's slump in trade. Speaking to the House of Commons Treasury Committee, Sunak said, "It was always inevitable that there would be a change in our trade intensity with Europe as a result of a change in the trading relationship. That was expected and unsurprising." What Sunak says in public is not necessarily what he says in private. In public he tends to say what he thinks people want to hear. Remember the hustings, time and time again he oh so sincerely said he was pro fracking. As soon as he walked into number 10 the first thing he did was to ban fracking. Last year Sunak was accused of being a 'nominal Brexiteer' because behind the scenes he fought against Boris Johnson triggering article 16 due to the protocol adversely affecting trade between Britain and Northern Ireland. At the time someone who was described as an insider said, "Rishi has fought to stop any action that would upset the EU". Anyone who trusts Sunak and Hunt on matters concerning the EU are bloody fools. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 20, 2022 18:34:41 GMT
Nothing reluctant about Rishi Sunak's support for Brexit.
He was always pro-Brexit, but of a sort of moderate, common sense Brexit, rather than an ideological one,” (Tony Travers, a professor of politics at the London School of Economics).
Sunak voted to leave the EU, and has voted for pro-Brexit policies in Parliament, including voting to leave without a withdrawal agreement in April 2019. At the Conservative Party conference in 2021, Sunak gave a speech saying he was told back in 2016 that if he voted for Brexit, his political career would be 'over before it had even begun' Announcing his intention to vote leave way before the 2016 referendum, Rishi Sunak said "This is a once in a generation opportunity for our country to take back control of its destiny," adding "I believe that our nation will be freer, fairer and more prosperous outside the EU." However, in March 2022 the then-chancellor admitted that Brexit is likely to be one of the reasons for the UK's slump in trade. Speaking to the House of Commons Treasury Committee, Sunak said, "It was always inevitable that there would be a change in our trade intensity with Europe as a result of a change in the trading relationship. That was expected and unsurprising."
As a former hedge fund manager, Sunak understands the value of market confidence and is more likely to get a workable Brexit than the raging Europhobe dinosaurs still found around the UK...
The problem with market confidence is that in the main you are seeking a vote of confidence from mainly 25 year olds whose sole aim is to enrich their employer and themselves and view a Nation, its businesses and its currency as merely tokens upon which they can place a bet as to the rise and fall of values. Now we are in such ridiculous levels of debt then their view is quite important and in the grand scheme of things their view should only be of limited importance. |
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Post by patman post on Nov 20, 2022 18:45:18 GMT
Sunak has to manage factions within the party while juggling to improve a diseased economy's image in the outside world.
Hard-line bruising by two other leaders needs to be overcome. He's got to do whatever's possible to get the economy going, while not upsetting the remaining dinosaurs too much...
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Post by sandypine on Nov 20, 2022 18:50:08 GMT
Sunak has to manage factions within the party while juggling to improve a diseased economy's image in the outside world. Hard-line bruising by two other leaders needs to be overcome. He's got to do whatever's possible to get the economy going, while not upsetting the remaining dinosaurs too much... Arguably he is one of those bugs that infested the economy with its disease. Getting an economy going does not mean screwing SMEs to the bone nor taxing the middle incomes till the pips squeak. |
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Post by patman post on Nov 20, 2022 18:58:02 GMT
Maybe not — but trickle down didn't inspire either...
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 20, 2022 19:38:08 GMT
Senior government figures are planning to put Britain on the path towards a Swiss-style relationship with the European Union. The move, intended to forge closer economic ties, is likely to infuriate hardline Conservative Brexiteers. Jeremy Hunt, the chancellor, last week signalled that Rishi Sunak’s administration intends to break from the approach adopted by Boris Johnson and remove the vast majority of trade barriers with the bloc. In private, senior government sources have suggested that pursuing frictionless trade requires moving towards a Swiss-style relationship over the next decade. However, they insist this would not extend to a return to freedom of movement. www.thetimes.co.uk/article/britain-mulls-swiss-style-ties-with-brussels-nr0f7fw2kWith pro EU globalists like Sunak and Hunt in charge it was always going to happen. Perhaps this is the reason they are loathe to upset the EU/Macron over the illegal invasion from France. You really aught to watch this video of BMW and its move out of the UK.
Unlike stupid MSM documentaries this one is just giving your the facts we face right now and the obvious deductions which can be made by them.
Where you haver a large factory there may be 10 times the number of jobs which go relative to the number of factory staff. Cars are made of assembled components and those are made from other components and then you have all the support roles like accountancy, banking etc.
The car industry is one of the UK's largest manufacturing industries, the other important one being aerospace. What you tend to get is the highest paid jobs in producing complicated stuff, so aircraft manufacturing is certainly one of those. The trouble you face though is now it is so complicated that no one country has all the ability to create the whole thing. Well perhaps one day China might, but Britain is 1/21 of the size in population and we are poorly educated. These are the industries which have been the survivors in Britain. Once upon a time this country had many small specialist high tech firms which are now mostly bust or just wound up, moved out, merged etc. We have been kind of given a leg up due to the EU's protectionism. The problem with that is if you have an unfair advantage you grow weak and lazy, where the outside competition has to work twice as hard to match, so they grow fit. Tricky eh? It's like being on a drug you can't get off. Would you like to also take a look at the official governemtn plan to see if you think this will work:
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Post by dappy on Nov 20, 2022 21:04:11 GMT
The so called “hard brexit” only ever made coherent intellectual sense within a Libertarian “Singapore on Thames” approach that was tried so disastrously by Truss. That concept is surely dead now for many years.
Both the Tories (and to a lesser extent Labour) now have to work out what to do with Brexit within a more conventional economic framework somehow trying to balance what is in the best interests of the UK economy (especially “working class” people and what “working class” people have been trained to think is in their best interests by the false promises of the Brexit campaign and the Johnson regime. The two things are very different.
It will be interesting to see what compromise the end game is.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2022 21:15:42 GMT
This was always in the cards . Although the leavers won the referendum, there was/ is not enough overall support to make Brexit work . Whether Brexit is seen as a success, or a failure, totally depends on the people in charge, the electorate are irrelevant. It's well known that Sunak and Hunt are pro EU globalists, they will guide policy in that direction while at all times denying it. As Heath did, as Major did as Blair did. The EU was always seen as a career opportunity and a gravy train for MPs, especially for those who failed in Westminster. The establishment parties are FUBAR. |
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