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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 21, 2022 20:45:26 GMT
Places like Blackpool have 25 per cent of the working-age population on out-of-work benefits - I somehow doubt that they all have MS. Although it is interesting how times have changed - it used to be that the left in Britain wanted jobs for British workers - now they seem to want jobs for foreign workers and leave British people sitting on the dole.. __"it used to be that the left in Britain wanted jobs for British workers"__ That might be more dishonest propaganda? ^^ See2 think hes on about keir Hardie the first labour PM.then on the right often say that. But they seem lost when its Mentioned that Hardie parlimenttly constituency was in East london what had a large indian population even in them times . |
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Post by see2 on Nov 21, 2022 21:02:39 GMT
Places like Blackpool have 25 per cent of the working-age population on out-of-work benefits - I somehow doubt that they all have MS. Although it is interesting how times have changed - it used to be that the left in Britain wanted jobs for British workers - now they seem to want jobs for foreign workers and leave British people sitting on the dole.. Yes, the phrase was used by Gormless Gordon Brown when PM From the Guardian back then Gordon Brown has no regrets over using the phrase "British jobs for British workers", Downing Street insisted today as a series of unofficial strikes broke out over UK construction jobs awarded to European workers. As anger intensified over plans by oil companies to employ Portuguese and Italian workers, the prime minister said that he understood people's concerns. Asked whether the prime minister regretted using the controversial phrase, branded illegal and racist by critics, his spokesman in London said: "I don't see any reason for regret. The action that we have taken has meant that we are now putting in place measures that ensure British workers can have access to the vacancies in the system." This is perhaps the reason why many in Blackpool are claiming befits not fit for work Blackpool has a very serious problem of Heroin use; it was confirmed that Blackpool has the highest drug death rate in the country last year Brown was discussing training and education making the case that trained and educated British workers could fill British jobs. The CBI had commented some years earlier that many applicants for jobs, even up to the age of 23 were unable to even fill in their application forms correctly. __""What he's saying there is, I want to see the British workforce equipped for the jobs and skills of the future and that's precisely what the government is doing," Mr McFadden told BBC Radio 5 Live."__ news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/7860593.stm |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 21, 2022 22:20:07 GMT
Places like Blackpool have 25 per cent of the working-age population on out-of-work benefits - I somehow doubt that they all have MS. Although it is interesting how times have changed - it used to be that the left in Britain wanted jobs for British workers - now they seem to want jobs for foreign workers and leave British people sitting on the dole.. I'm making a point about you labelling those sick or disabled as those who could work. I know not all of them have MS (other conditions are available) and I never claimed they did. What I'm objecting to is your lumping of those unable to work with those capable of working. Your 5.4 million figure needs to be revised, as you're aware. Edit: the number of vacancies is more than the number of unemployed... Do you really believe that 25% of the adult population of Blackpool is unable to work - and that we should be importing Labour to do the jobs they dont? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 21, 2022 22:48:57 GMT
Looks like Starmer gets it..
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 21, 2022 23:07:34 GMT
Looks like Starmer gets it.. Stamer gets what? |
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Post by Steve on Nov 21, 2022 23:22:24 GMT
If we sign free trade deals with non convergent nations (EG India) then Starmer and Sunak can opine what they like, the choice will be low wages or high unemployment.
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 22, 2022 7:20:30 GMT
If we sign free trade deals with non convergent nations (EG India) then Starmer and Sunak can opine what they like, the choice will be low wages or high unemployment. Can you support that with any actual evidence? Because nations like Switzerland, Denmark, US, Norway, Singapore, Australia, Canada, Israel and a myriad of others say you're wrong. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 22, 2022 8:29:05 GMT
I'm making a point about you labelling those sick or disabled as those who could work. I know not all of them have MS (other conditions are available) and I never claimed they did. What I'm objecting to is your lumping of those unable to work with those capable of working. Your 5.4 million figure needs to be revised, as you're aware. Edit: the number of vacancies is more than the number of unemployed... Do you really believe that 25% of the adult population of Blackpool is unable to work - and that we should be importing Labour to do the jobs they dont? Neither of those things are what I said at all. That's very disingenuous. There are of course many places with higher unemployment. I totally accept that Blackpool is one of those places. My issue was with you using the 5.4m figure for "out of work" benefits, and so have included the sick, disabled and terminally ill, a point that in your responses you have still failed to acknowledge. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 22, 2022 8:47:22 GMT
Do you really believe that 25% of the adult population of Blackpool is unable to work - and that we should be importing Labour to do the jobs they dont? Neither of those things are what I said at all. That's very disingenuous. There are of course many places with higher unemployment. I totally accept that Blackpool is one of those places. My issue was with you using the 5.4m figure for "out of work" benefits, and so have included the sick, disabled and terminally ill, a point that in your responses you have still failed to acknowledge. I fully accept that some small amount of those people may be so sick as to be unable to work - but I certainly do not accept that we should just forget about the vast majority. We used to have programs to get the disabled and long term unemployed into work - yes that was more expensive and difficult for employers but it benefited society. As Starmer now says - the era of cheap imported labour is over. |
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Post by jaydee on Nov 22, 2022 9:07:36 GMT
If we sign free trade deals with non convergent nations (EG India) then Starmer and Sunak can opine what they like, the choice will be low wages or high unemployment. Can you support that with any actual evidence? Because nations like Switzerland, Denmark, US, Norway, Singapore, Australia, Canada, Israel and a myriad of others say you're wrong. Sunak is a liar. He ranted before the CBI that he was not going to do any deal with the EU. and lied that since the UK left the EU it can now control its own border. The UK has always been able to control its own border. It was never part of the Schengen area. In fact so called illegal immigrants has increased. A separate issue. All who enter the UK are subject to passport control. That includes you. At the point of entry it has always been up to UK immigration who can and cannot stay. In terms of trade deals. Since the end of transition the UK no longer has a schedule of concession to do deals under the rules of the WTO. Although a founding member it is no longer a full member. As Sunak then lied again about all the benefits. As the CBI looked in on astonishment. . All deals so far apart from New Zealand and one other were carried out by the schedule held by the EU. Which in short if the UK does a deal with one member of the WTO it has to do the same with all 164 members. There is no need for them to do deal. They already have it. But the164 members of the WTO do not have to reciprocate. Because of the disaster of Brexit the UK economy has shrunk by 4%. That has nothing to do with the BS of Putin or Covid. Now Sunak a clear liar who was going to have integrity is now been held to ransom by the fascist in the ERG. If he does any deal of any description involving the CU and SM. Such as the Switzerland deal. He will have to accept free movement. And if by now all the Brexiteers who swallowed the lies hook line and sinker think the EU will allow the UK to disregard that. If they have not understood the lesson by now. They never will. And the racist fascist ERG in the present Tory party. Will never learn. As they still wait for the German car industry to come riding over the hill at sunset. Banging on the door of Number 10 to do a deal. To save England from a fate worse than life. Remember the bull shit. Johnny Foreigner needs us more than we need them. By the way the other deal announced by Truss as mind blowing, making everyone in the UK millionaires. That fanny to was swallowed hook line and sinker. As I recall was with S Korea for £700 million pounds worth of life jackets. I have no doubt this bunch of clueless cretins in Westminster, could not even do a deal with Christmas island for crabs that glow in the dark. The Australian and New Zealand deal will destroy the UK farming industry. But then business in the UK, as the CBI are pointing out. Want to deals with customers 20 miles away across the channel. Tariff and red tape free. With the largest trading bloc in the world. Not on the other side of the globe. But heh why let facts get in the road. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 22, 2022 9:44:53 GMT
Neither of those things are what I said at all. That's very disingenuous. There are of course many places with higher unemployment. I totally accept that Blackpool is one of those places. My issue was with you using the 5.4m figure for "out of work" benefits, and so have included the sick, disabled and terminally ill, a point that in your responses you have still failed to acknowledge. I fully accept that some small amount of those people may be so sick as to be unable to work - but I certainly do not accept that we should just forget about the vast majority. We used to have programs to get the disabled and long term unemployed into work - yes that was more expensive and difficult for employers but it benefited society. As Starmer now says - the era of cheap imported labour is over. The UK government used to fund Remploy, a system that employed disabled people. It withdrew subsidies in 2012 leading to its closure in 2015. My guess is that many Remploy workers found themselves unemployed. |
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 22, 2022 9:51:03 GMT
Can you support that with any actual evidence? Because nations like Switzerland, Denmark, US, Norway, Singapore, Australia, Canada, Israel and a myriad of others say you're wrong. But then business in the UK, as the CBI are pointing out. Want to deals with customers 20 miles away across the channel. Tariff and red tape free. With the largest trading bloc in the world. Not on the other side of the globe. But heh why let facts get in the road. Alarmist exaggeration regurgitated by the MSM. Putting aside the fact the farming sector is in no position to negotiate trade deals, other countries who export their meat to the UK would be bigger losers - namely places like Ireland. Prior to the UK joining the protectionist bloc Australian meat exports only accounted for 4-5% in the UK as opposed to the current 1% under protectionist barriers placed up by French farmers and the EU. Australian and New Zealand export meat markets target Asia and the Middle-East where the prices are attractive for them. The UK will not be able to divert their trade away enough to be significant to British farmers, Asia and ME will see to that. Domestic products always enjoy a 'home bias' and a fair amount of British farms are heavily subsidised and still running at a loss. Also, seasonal factors between the UK and Australia are inverted so a supply of lamb will be abundant from Australia when they are less abundant in the UK. Why do you think UK lamb farmers have still managed well when NZ have been exporting their lamb to the UK for the last 50 odd years? Too many people regurgitate the MSM fear stories. They believe that the EU dogma model of cheap labour, bloated welfare, corporations lobbying to regulate and throttle the life out of entrepreneurship is the only way a nation can live economically. It's BS. We're now a nation hooked on cheap migrant labour. According to such folk, being well paid for your labour isn't possible anymore in this system. Subsidised-profit-losing farms have been cushioned by protectionist policies whereby they now believe they should be blocking trade deals, when their Australian counterparts don't even have the luxury of being subsidised by their government. Time to get real and stop living in a state of managed decline. |
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Post by Steve on Nov 22, 2022 10:24:55 GMT
If we sign free trade deals with non convergent nations (EG India) then Starmer and Sunak can opine what they like, the choice will be low wages or high unemployment. Can you support that with any actual evidence? Because nations like Switzerland, Denmark, US, Norway, Singapore, Australia, Canada, Israel and a myriad of others say you're wrong. Maybe first you should show us if any of them has gone on a spree signing up non convergent countries to free trade deals. Average wages in UK: £621 a week Average wages in India: £78 a week ( R387,500 a year) Are you saying you don't realise that free trade with the likes of India will be a recipe for either exporting UK jobs or driving our wages down (or both)? |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 22, 2022 12:00:24 GMT
I fully accept that some small amount of those people may be so sick as to be unable to work - but I certainly do not accept that we should just forget about the vast majority. We used to have programs to get the disabled and long term unemployed into work - yes that was more expensive and difficult for employers but it benefited society. As Starmer now says - the era of cheap imported labour is over. The UK government used to fund Remploy, a system that employed disabled people. It withdrew subsidies in 2012 leading to its closure in 2015. My guess is that many Remploy workers found themselves unemployed. Make work jobs funded by the State is not what I had in mind.. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Nov 22, 2022 12:09:54 GMT
The UK government used to fundlike Remploy, a system that employed disabled people. It withdrew subsidies in 2012 leading to its closure in 2015. My guess is that many Remploy workers found themselves unemployed. Make work jobs funded by the State is not what I had in mind.. That Is obvious dont know how the private sector could fund to employ dissabled people when there excessive cost . like disable toilets e.t.c |
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