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Post by Red Rackham on Mar 16, 2024 20:38:29 GMT
The so called 'Trans debate' is very much trendy left wing populism imported from the US. You start by saying it's about basic human rights, then say biological women, should have their own spaces, how very understanding of you. Personally and call me picky, but I would describe 'biological' women as real women who since the days of Emmeline Pankhurst have faught for women's rights in a male dominated society. Yet just as they are finally achieving parity they are hit with all this gender nonsense which seems to have cancelled common sense and is absolutely trashing women's rights. Which is why I said elsewhere that we should do away with the lot and simply have "Person" rights and bin all this womens/gay/trans etc. nonsense. Oh yeah, and unisex (or should that be multisex?) bogs. There, sorted. Unfortunately for all of us common sense comes way down the list of progressive woke priorities, indeed such inflammatory talk could get you in trouble with these fine upstanding examples of modern progressive police. The individuals on bended knee should of course be dismissed for bringing the force into disrepute gross incompetence, but in these woke progressive times, being sacked for kneeling to the mob would at best be... controversial. God help us.  |
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Post by Bentley on Mar 16, 2024 20:44:37 GMT
As far as I know it could be seen as a microagressions which would reduce the ability to be employed in some areas and afaik it has been an issue in schools, universities and NHS establishments. I am willing to bet a £5 to any registered charity that there is not one single case in the UK of anyone ever being jailed for not calling a man a woman. Which is exactly what B-4 claimed here: ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/217721All The Best That’s why I didn’t claim that there was but I did argue that the law seems to moving that way in another thread . |
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Post by see2 on Mar 16, 2024 21:21:11 GMT
Which is why I said elsewhere that we should do away with the lot and simply have "Person" rights and bin all this womens/gay/trans etc. nonsense. Oh yeah, and unisex (or should that be multisex?) bogs. There, sorted. Unfortunately for all of us common sense comes way down the list of progressive woke priorities, indeed such inflammatory talk could get you in trouble with these fine upstanding examples of modern progressive police. The individuals on bended knee should of course be dismissed for bringing the force into disrepute gross incompetence, but in these woke progressive times, being sacked for kneeling to the mob would at best be... controversial. God help us. Nah, you're just a typical Rightist who thinks he knows everything. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 17, 2024 6:23:57 GMT
It was a question and one you failed to answer. This could be because it doesn't require justification, only total obedience or else the state will punish them. Well, if you have any evidence of people being sent to prison for not calling a man a woman I'll take a look and, where necessary, re-evaluate my position. However, I won't be even remotely shocked if you can't present even one piece of evidence. All The Best Do you have trouble comprehending what other people are saying?
Scotland have only just passed their so-called controversial bill, and Labour will be following suit, because that's how they operate. I'm telling you what the future holds if this country proceeds on this current trend. Misgendering is a hate-crime in Scotland and a criminal offence, which can land you in prison.
I can only tell you what they have planned for you based on this and Starmer's intentions. If you want to play the role of information bot then at least understand the question. Thanks.
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Post by Bentley on Mar 17, 2024 10:09:03 GMT
I am willing to bet a £5 to any registered charity that there is not one single case in the UK of anyone ever being jailed for not calling a man a woman. Which is exactly what B-4 claimed here: ukpoliticsdebate.boards.net/post/217721All The Best That’s why I didn’t claim that there was but I did argue that the law seems to moving that way in another thread . Not jail and in the DM but this is where we are going and we will inevitably go further “A teacher sacked for refusing to treat an eight-year-old girl as a boy will tell an employment tribunal this week of her serious concerns for the child's welfare.” She was ordered by the headteacher before the start of term to go along with the wishes of the pupil to 'socially transition' under the guidance of controversial LGBT charity Stonewall. It meant calling her by a boy's name and using male pronouns, and also involved an ultimately futile attempt to keep her gender change a secret from classmates.” Teacher 'sacked after refusing to treat eight-year-old as a boy' |
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Post by buccaneer on Mar 17, 2024 10:28:11 GMT
The trans debate is very much left wing popularism. They are the ones who want to peddle the idea that we can change sex by demand . Right wingers dont generally call left wing populism by that name . I suppose they refer to it as wokeism . However you seem to agree with most of what you replied to. I see you have fallen for the leftie lie that right wingers blame immigrants , woke and the EU for EVERYTHING . While this rather stupid false accusation is around there never will be an environment for anyone to “ wind their necks in” never mind “ use a bit of common sense “. I don't think the trans debate is "left wing populism" at all. It is fundamentally about basic human rights. But let me be specific here so I am not misunderstood. I am perfectly happy for someone to identify as the opposite sex if they are going through the gender reassignment process. Once they have done so I am perfectly OK with them asking to be called by different pronouns, as long as they understand sometimes people will make mistakes. My reluctance comes with the issue of "private spaces" - public bathrooms, where I feel biological women have a right to ask for gender reassigned women to be excluded; I also have an issue with male-to-female transgender people being able to compete in female sports, where they have a clear and distinct advantage, unless they transitioned pre-puberty (using Puberty Blockers). I am yet to see evidence of significant numbers of right-wing commentators / supporters on forums and social media NOT blaming Immigrants, the EU / Not-Brexit, or "The Woke"; your experience may of course be different. All The Best By the same token, I've yet to see any evidence of significant left-wing commentators/supporters on forums and social media engage in the immigrant debate without referring to 1930's Germany and the like, or that Brexit hasn't been spuriously blamed on issues like inflation to the supply of tomato's. I've yet to come across a left-wing voice who cannot admit the gaslighting that is undertaken to point the blame of the culture wars on the right, when identity politics is their main weapon of choice in their Long March to tear down, rip up, and ride over Britain's cultural values and traditions. Yes, our experiences are clearly different. |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 17, 2024 10:29:53 GMT
Badenoch, Braverman or Mordaunt? Who Starmer fears most as next Tory leader
Good job you didn't mention your pin up boy BORIS Johnson lol |
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Post by witchfinder on Mar 17, 2024 10:35:47 GMT
Contrary to the beliefs of those who wish to follow the path of "Culture Wars". these sorts of non-issues will not be at the forefront of peoples minds at the General Election.
The REAL issues will be The Economy, Growth, The NHS, Living Standards & The Cost Of Living, The Environent and Immigration.
Trans-people and "Taking The Knee" will not feature amongst peoples concerns
Keir Starmer fears none of the leading stars in the Conservative Party, there seems to be a growing acceptance within the Conservative Party that the result of the General Election is not in doubt, hence the record number of Tories standing down.
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 17, 2024 10:36:04 GMT
Say what you like about Thatcher but she helped Angela Rayner buy a cheap council house . To be fair Starmer has recognised her for it.
"Keir Starmer praises Margaret Thatcher for bringing 'meaningful change' to UK. Keir Starmer has praised Margaret Thatcher for effecting “meaningful change” in Britain in an article directly appealing to Conservative voters to switch to Labour".
... LOL
So can't he give a dead person any prize are should he be a spiteful tory lol . You do know what he gave her praise for don't you ?Something Brexit is distroying bit by bit . |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 17, 2024 10:50:37 GMT
To be fair Starmer has recognised her for it.
"Keir Starmer praises Margaret Thatcher for bringing 'meaningful change' to UK. Keir Starmer has praised Margaret Thatcher for effecting “meaningful change” in Britain in an article directly appealing to Conservative voters to switch to Labour".
... LOL
So can't he give a dead person any prize are should he be a spiteful tory lol . You do know what he gave her praise for don't you ?Something Brexit is distroying bit by bit . Lets try to decipher this post, bit-by-bit ^^
By dead person do you mean ... Thatcher?
A spiteful tory ...do you mean Starmer?
What did he praise her for?
Why is Brexit destroying something that he praised her for?
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Post by sheepy on Mar 17, 2024 11:02:57 GMT
In a real democracy he should fear the voters not the other way around, so I guess we shall see.
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 17, 2024 11:14:26 GMT
So can't he give a dead person any prize are should he be a spiteful tory lol . You do know what he gave her praise for don't you ?Something Brexit is distroying bit by bit . Lets try to decipher this post, bit-by-bit ^^
By dead person do you mean ... Thatcher?
A spiteful tory ...do you mean Starmer?
What did he praise her for?
Why is Brexit destroying something that he praised her for?
He praised her for the London Stock Exchange Subscribe MarketsQuicktake Why London’s Once-Vibrant Stock Market Is in a Rut The London Stock Exchange Group Plc office atrium in the City of London. The London Stock Exchange Group Plc office atrium in the City of London.Photographer: Hollie Adams/Bloomberg By Swetha Gopinath, Michael Msika, and Joe Easton 28 February 2024 at 12:27 GMT Save Since Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher unleashed a wave of privatizations in the 1980s, the London Stock Exchange has been a symbol of Britain’s free-market economy. Home to companies that dominate global industries, including AstraZeneca Plc, Shell Plc and HSBC Holdings Plc, the FTSE 100 Index is an international benchmark. However, trading volume has slumped in recent years and some British companies have picked other markets to list their shares. That appears to fit the narrative of a nation whose economy is being held back by weak productivity, under-investment and the jolt to trade from Brexit. Yet there are other, more complex factors at play. Companies raised just $1 billion on the London Stock Exchange in 2023, the least since 2009. The underperformance was remarkable even in the context of a global drought in initial public offerings. An especially bitter blow was London’s failure to secure the listing of one of the UK’s most important technology companies — Cambridge, England-based chip designer Arm Holdings Plc. Despite fevered lobbying by government ministers, and an offer to relax UK listing rules, Arm’s Japanese parent company SoftBank Group Corp. chose New York for its return to public markets. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Mar 17, 2024 11:16:45 GMT
Lets try to decipher this post, bit-by-bit ^^
By dead person do you mean ... Thatcher?
A spiteful tory ...do you mean Starmer?
What did he praise her for?
Why is Brexit destroying something that he praised her for?
He praised her for the London Stock Exchange Subscribe MarketsQuicktake Why London’s Once-Vibrant Stock Market Is in a Rut The London Stock Exchange Group Plc office atrium in the City of London. The London Stock Exchange Group Plc office atrium in the City of London.Photographer: Hollie Adams/Bloomberg By Swetha Gopinath, Michael Msika, and Joe Easton 28 February 2024 at 12:27 GMT Save Since Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher unleashed a wave of privatizations in the 1980s, the London Stock Exchange has been a symbol of Britain’s free-market economy. Home to companies that dominate global industries, including AstraZeneca Plc, Shell Plc and HSBC Holdings Plc, the FTSE 100 Index is an international benchmark. However, trading volume has slumped in recent years and some British companies have picked other markets to list their shares. That appears to fit the narrative of a nation whose economy is being held back by weak productivity, under-investment and the jolt to trade from Brexit. Yet there are other, more complex factors at play. Companies raised just $1 billion on the London Stock Exchange in 2023, the least since 2009. The underperformance was remarkable even in the context of a global drought in initial public offerings. An especially bitter blow was London’s failure to secure the listing of one of the UK’s most important technology companies — Cambridge, England-based chip designer Arm Holdings Plc. Despite fevered lobbying by government ministers, and an offer to relax UK listing rules, Arm’s Japanese parent company SoftBank Group Corp. chose New York for its return to public markets. Sorry? |
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Post by ProVeritas on Mar 17, 2024 11:18:30 GMT
Well, if you have any evidence of people being sent to prison for not calling a man a woman I'll take a look and, where necessary, re-evaluate my position. However, I won't be even remotely shocked if you can't present even one piece of evidence. All The Best Do you have trouble comprehending what other people are saying? Scotland have only just passed their so-called controversial bill, and Labour will be following suit, because that's how they operate. I'm telling you what the future holds if this country proceeds on this current trend. Misgendering is a hate-crime in Scotland and a criminal offence, which can land you in prison.
I can only tell you what they have planned for you based on this and Starmer's intentions. If you want to play the role of information bot then at least understand the question. Thanks.
So you are admitting the following: No one has ever been imprisoned in the UK because of refusing to call a man a woman. No such laws even exist in England. Not sure it is me who is misunderstanding what you are saying. All The Best |
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Post by Totheleft on Mar 17, 2024 11:19:30 GMT
He praised her for the London Stock Exchange Subscribe MarketsQuicktake Why London’s Once-Vibrant Stock Market Is in a Rut The London Stock Exchange Group Plc office atrium in the City of London. The London Stock Exchange Group Plc office atrium in the City of London.Photographer: Hollie Adams/Bloomberg By Swetha Gopinath, Michael Msika, and Joe Easton 28 February 2024 at 12:27 GMT Save Since Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher unleashed a wave of privatizations in the 1980s, the London Stock Exchange has been a symbol of Britain’s free-market economy. Home to companies that dominate global industries, including AstraZeneca Plc, Shell Plc and HSBC Holdings Plc, the FTSE 100 Index is an international benchmark. However, trading volume has slumped in recent years and some British companies have picked other markets to list their shares. That appears to fit the narrative of a nation whose economy is being held back by weak productivity, under-investment and the jolt to trade from Brexit. Yet there are other, more complex factors at play. Companies raised just $1 billion on the London Stock Exchange in 2023, the least since 2009. The underperformance was remarkable even in the context of a global drought in initial public offerings. An especially bitter blow was London’s failure to secure the listing of one of the UK’s most important technology companies — Cambridge, England-based chip designer Arm Holdings Plc. Despite fevered lobbying by government ministers, and an offer to relax UK listing rules, Arm’s Japanese parent company SoftBank Group Corp. chose New York for its return to public markets. Sorry? Cant you even read copied &paste lol Or what you written |
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