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Post by jaydee on Mar 22, 2024 11:07:38 GMT
I repeat, you need to look back a few posts on this thread. You also need to stop presenting anything from the much ridiculed Mr Murphy as a credible opinion on anything. Your reply was in two seconds flat. You clearly did not read it. As your bollocks clearly indicated you are superior to the Professor of economics. Even the authors of GERs, he Fraser of Allander Institute had to apologise to him. You thought it was the Scottish Government wee the authors. That is how clueless you are. Was the UK treasury wrong as well when it said England was responsible for the debt and there was no obligation on the Scots to pay a penny. Or should I not listen to them as well. Would like to tell me what part of the two links I gave is wrong. Would you care to correct the prof. Try not using the invisible page. However would you like to give me the date and the time on all this answers you rant you gave. Or did you not understand that question. Your bullshit is priceless. |
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Post by happyjack on Mar 22, 2024 11:22:07 GMT
What was there to read other than a few lines of your usual nonsense and couple of links to Richard Murphy articles? Who in their right mind would waste time reading them?
As I have already said a couple of times and won’t repeat again, you need to look back a few posts on this thread.
BTW - FAI are not the authors of GERS. Are you really so misinformed as to believe that they are?
BTW 2 - where did FAI apologise to Mr Murphy?
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Post by om15 on Mar 22, 2024 11:31:37 GMT
There is no English debt, it belongs to the United Kingdom of which Scotland is an enthusiastic member. Should Scotland wish to leave the United Kingdom there will be a negotiation of debts and assets, if the negotiating position of the Scottish negotiators is that they won't meet their share of the debt then it is likely that they won't have their share of the assets, leaving Scotland without defence, banking facilities, a currency or adequate food supplies, even your First Minister isn't that stupid, certainly your new incoming Labour First Minister won't be.
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Post by jaydee on Mar 22, 2024 11:55:29 GMT
What was there to read other than a couple of links to Richard Murphy articles? Who in their right mind would waste time reading them? As I have already said a couple of times and won’t repeat again , you need to look back a few posts on this thread. BTW - FAI are not the authors of GERS. Are you really so misinformed as to believe that they are? BTW 2 - where did FAI apologise to Mr Murphy? Yes that was badly worded. Oh boy I bet you are leaping up and down. They were the authors of the links on GERs. Not the author of GERs. And if you care to read the links. You will see they apologised to the good prof. And I am still waiting on you to correct how he was wrong. I see right away, on your high horse, you can answer a question when you know the answer. And no I do not need to read back. I have already read back . You have not answered.
fraserofallander.org/research/scotlands-budget-report-2023/ |
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Post by happyjack on Mar 22, 2024 12:12:01 GMT
I have answered.
Your posts are always badly worded so nothing new there.
Why would I be jumping up and down?
Where has FAI apologised in the links?
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Post by jaydee on Mar 22, 2024 12:24:31 GMT
There is no English debt, it belongs to the United Kingdom of which Scotland is an enthusiastic member. Should Scotland wish to leave the United Kingdom there will be a negotiation of debts and assets, if the negotiating position of the Scottish negotiators is that they won't meet their share of the debt then it is likely that they won't have their share of the assets, leaving Scotland without defence, banking facilities, a currency or adequate food supplies, even your First Minister isn't that stupid, certainly your new incoming Labour First Minister won't be. Ah Mr stupid at his stupid best. If Scotland leaves the union it is no longer part of the UK. Let me make this very clear to you. During the last indy ref. George Osborne stated that that Scotland would not use the BofE or sterling . That means he stole the assets. That means he then stole the debt. When, not should Scotland leave the UK, the debt is the English debt there is no requirement of the Scots to pay one penny. In teams of the institution you rant about. They are not the English army, Englsih banks and so on. Those are already in place in Scotland. This time around there will be nonsense about a shared currency. That is what Fiscal commission at the time recommended. When was refused by Osborne. Alex Salmond should have went for the Scottish pound. And told him to get stuffed. Which part of Better therefore to be blunt and clear, that the full £1.4tn would stay as a liability of England, Wales and Northern Ireland - and that there would be no legal requirement on Scottish people to pay any of it.. From the UK treasury . Translates to you there is a requirement for the Scots to pay. By the way.. When the Scots do go there merry way. How is England going to manage to borrow a further £100 billion each year just to stand still. |
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Post by jaydee on Mar 22, 2024 12:27:00 GMT
I have answered. Your posts are always badly worded so nothing new there. Why would I be jumping up and down? Where has FAI apologised in the links? |
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Post by jaydee on Mar 22, 2024 12:34:20 GMT
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Post by happyjack on Mar 22, 2024 12:39:47 GMT
You did not ask me to point out where Mr Murphy is wrong. GERS methodology is always under review and always subject to refinement. If Mr Murphy’s points from 2017 were deemed appropriate they will be reflected in how GERS is calculated by now. If they were dismissed then they won’t.
Where in that link will I find FAI’s apology? I don’t see an apology anywhere, just Mr Murphy’s usual grandstanding and self-publicising.
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Post by om15 on Mar 22, 2024 12:46:02 GMT
From the Scottish Government web site,
What the Scottish Government web site doesn't tell the curious is where their gold reserves are to support a Scottish currency, of course they can continue to use Sterling, they will have no control over money supply, interest rates or exchange rates of course, but in their desperation they will have to use something as you point out.
But, what on earth will they base their currency on with no gold reserves to support it, the gold reserves are held by the UK Government and following your logic ( if it might be called that) both the debt and the gold reserves will remain with the RUK.
These lunatics are publishing nonsense and rubbish, not only do you believe it you are insulting our intelligence with all this bunkem as well.
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Post by jaydee on Mar 22, 2024 12:46:22 GMT
You did not ask me to point out where Mr Murphy is wrong. GERS methodology is always under review and always subject to refinement. If Mr Murphy’s points from 2017 were deemed appropriate they will be reflected in how GERS is calculated by now. If they were dismissed then they won’t. Where in that link will I find FAI’s apology? I don’t see an apology anywhere, just Mr Murphy’s usual grandstanding and self-publicising. No GERs is not always under review. The figures are. And he pointed out were they were wrong, then thanked the FAI agreeing he was correct. Which was a apology. But needs pointing out to you. As nothing gets through. Murphy pointed out several points that were wrong. So let me ask you again. What part of those were wrong. So in that brain of yours. Not only is the FAI wrong. So is Murphy. In terms of grandstanding. That is coming from you. |
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Post by jaydee on Mar 22, 2024 12:49:44 GMT
You did not ask me to point out where Mr Murphy is wrong. GERS methodology is always under review and always subject to refinement. If Mr Murphy’s points from 2017 were deemed appropriate they will be reflected in how GERS is calculated by now. If they were dismissed then they won’t. Where in that link will I find FAI’s apology? I don’t see an apology anywhere, just Mr Murphy’s usual grandstanding and self-publicising. No GERs is not always under review. The figures are. And he pointed out were they were wrong, then thanked the FAI agreeing he was correct. Which was a apology. But needs pointing out to you. As nothing gets through. Murphy pointed out several points that were wrong. So let me ask you again. What part of those were wrong. So in that brain of yours. Not only is the FAI wrong, as they agreed he was correct. So is Murphy. In terms of grandstanding. That matey as your idiotic reply proves, is coming from you. |
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Post by Vinny on Mar 22, 2024 12:57:45 GMT
There is no English debt, it belongs to the United Kingdom of which Scotland is an enthusiastic member. Should Scotland wish to leave the United Kingdom there will be a negotiation of debts and assets, if the negotiating position of the Scottish negotiators is that they won't meet their share of the debt then it is likely that they won't have their share of the assets, leaving Scotland without defence, banking facilities, a currency or adequate food supplies, even your First Minister isn't that stupid, certainly your new incoming Labour First Minister won't be. Exactly. National debt per capita divided by population of UK multiplied by population of Scotland = Scotland's share. Not difficult to work out. Scotland's debt = £215 billion and rising. |
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Post by happyjack on Mar 22, 2024 13:12:43 GMT
You did not ask me to point out where Mr Murphy is wrong. GERS methodology is always under review and always subject to refinement. If Mr Murphy’s points from 2017 were deemed appropriate they will be reflected in how GERS is calculated by now. If they were dismissed then they won’t. Where in that link will I find FAI’s apology? I don’t see an apology anywhere, just Mr Murphy’s usual grandstanding and self-publicising. No GERs is not always under review. The figures are. And he pointed out were they were wrong, then thanked the FAI agreeing he was correct. Which was an apology. But needs pointing out to you. As nothing gets through. Murphy pointed out several points that were wrong. So let me ask you again. What part of those were wrong. So in that brain of yours. Not only is the FAI wrong. So is Murphy. In terms of grandstanding. That is coming from you. Where is your evidence that GERS is not always under review? Don’t even bother looking for it because you won’t find it. GERS reports are produced to exacting international standards, a fundamental provision of which is that processes and methodologies are subjected to regular review and upgrading. Mr Murphy pointed out where he thought the methodology of part of a calculation was inappropriate, not where “they were wrong”. While he might have thanked FAI for agreeing that he was correct, he was being facetious at best or intentionally misleading at worst. Nowhere in that article is there an apology from FAI or a statement from FAI saying that Mr Murphy was correct. As well as needing to learn how to write in a decent fashion and how to construct cohesive arguments, you clearly also have to learn how to process and evaluate what you read. |
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Post by morayloon on Mar 23, 2024 15:57:45 GMT
You have not struck a raw nerve at all. I am not fussed either way about being Scottish never mind it being the source of my life’s obsession - but the plain fact is that a Scot is what I am, and a Scot is what I have told you that I am, yet despite that and with nothing else whatsoever to go on other than what I post on here, you refuse to accept that I am a Scot. As I said before, that can only be the result of your narrow, prejudiced and lumpen mind rendering you incapable of conceiving that someone who does not buy into your cringeworthy whingeing, grievance stirring and anti-English culture, and someone who does not blame the English for everything that ails them, could possibly be a Scot because, after all, you and your Indy obsessive buddies are Scots and that is what you all do and how you all behave, so that’s what makes you Scottish, isn’t it?. I haven’t jumped to the wrong conclusion over your views about the English and England; it is just that you are unable to recognise what you are. I have laid out examples of behaviours that you exhibit on here demonstrating that you routinely employ blatant lies and use serious distortions of the truth to reflect negatively upon the English, in so doing blaming them, without justification, for all that is wrong in your nationalist obsessed world. That clearly makes you anti-English and your pitiful list of excuses and sad attempt at justifying your shameful behaviour above just serves to illustrate that. As for calling me an “ultra Yoon” that is just to be expected from you and those like you. As I have explained to you many times, I have no ideological leanings one way or another on Scotland and the UK so I am neither a unionist nor a nationalist, but because I don’t come close to fitting your grievance mongering, English-resenting, freedom-fighting identikit of what you think it is to be a Scot, and because I have the audacity to believe that independence would be financially devastating for myself, my loved ones and for the Scottish people in general, you need to stick a dismissive label on me that computes with your twisted view of the world rather than confront your own prejudices. So what’s new about that? You may think that you have responded to my oft repeated question but you have certainly not come anywhere close to providing an answer. I am not surprised because I think that you are incapable of answering it for fear of having to concede that I am right and that you are wrong, just as much as you are incapable of acknowledging that GERS is credible, reliable and fully fit for purpose. Just to be clear, there is no mystery as to why “Scot Gov goes along with the sophistry and trickery, emanating from figures provided by Westminster for the dodgy documents” and no mystery why it goes along with GERS full stop. The reason that it does so is because there is no sophistry and trickery emanating from figures provided by Westminster and there are no dodgy documents and because it knows that GERS figures are reliable and that the GERS process is fit for purpose. The fact that you are unable to even contemplate the prospect that that might be the case is just another example of your anti-Englishness because you prefer to believe in conspiracies and skullduggery on a massive level rather than accept the possibility that the GERS report might be right and that Scotland’s fiscal situation (or Scotland’s anything else) really is propped up by England and the dastard English. Obviously have struck a raw nerve!!! Your first paragraph is just a shouty, sad, attempt at a put down. However, rather than having any truth, it merely shows your lack of knowledge of Scots, and Nationalists in particular. And that is what makes me doubt where you are from. You set yourself up as a "neutral" but your every utterance screams anti Scottish sentiment. Paragraph two merely continues the bluster. You say that you are "neither a Unionist nor a Nationalist" yet your continual put downs of anything, even slightly, pro-Nationalist, strongly suggests that a Yoon is what you are. How do you know what I believe a Scot is? I can tell you this, it is not "grievance mongering, English-resenting, freedom-fighting ... ". That description comes right out of the Yoon handbook. If you persist in using Yoon language, don't get on to me moaning that you aren't a Yoon: when we all know you are. Paragraph 3: I really don't care what you think of my response. You are incapable of accepting that figures for Reserved Issues come from Westminster & ONS. That much of those figures are manipulated to show Scotland in a bad light. Much of the Westminster figures are not kept at sub-UK level: they simply do not exist, they are pure guesses. We are not propped up by anyone as I, and others, have pointed out before. Finally, provide evidence of my supposed anti Englishness. Your previous attempt left much to be desired. |
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