snp consider withdrawing mps from Westminster parliament

Jaydee, Against my better judgement I have gone through you post, tried to make sense of what I could, and corrected your wrong understanding. My comments, are directly below the relevant sections of your post.

“You are ranting on about GERs and clearly do not have a clue how it works. You made that more than evident. And bankrupt England does not pay its way in the UK.”
—  Nowhere is bankrupt, or anything close to it. If anywhere were  to be bankrupt it would be the UK, not England.

“Its debt is 97% to GDP. That means matey for every £100 it spends it has to borrow £97.”
— No, it doesn’t mean that.

“So stop ranting clueless garbage. And you are not agreeing GERs is not a set of accounts showing spending in Scotland. you are ranting utter shite to the contrary.”
— No, I am agreeing that GERS is not a set of accounts showing spending in Scotland.

“The only figure you need to fit in your skull along with stupid Englishmen who rant the bollocks that you do. Is that under the Barnett consequentials Scotland receives a block grant.. it does not get a block grant,”
— What is the distinction between getting and receiving that you are driving at here?


“of its own money, on a calculation of the public spending required in bankrupt England.”
—the block grant comes from the UK’s money. England is not bankrupt and the spending that England receives is not the level of spending that England requires. The calculation of what Scotland receives is not based upon a calculation of the public spending planned for England. Rather it receives the same amount as it received in the preceding year uplifted by a per capita amount equivalent to the per capita uplift in the planned spending on devolved areas of activity in England.


“If that public expenditure exceeds what is required in bankrupt England. Say on the NHS. Then Scotland gets a further share of its own money under the Barnett consequential. It does not work the other way around.”
— It is not Scotland’s own money; it is the UK’s money. And of course it doesn’t work the other way round. It is the UK’s money and HM Treasury’s budget, and ScotGov is just being allowed to spend part of the UK’s money on behalf of The UK government rather than have the UK government directly spend that money on Scotland, after all  - so obviously the rules should reflect that.



“I do not have the exact figures to hand. Or be arsed to look them up for you to dismiss with waffle and wave of a hand. . But it is near enough to suggest that UNDER PRESENT CONSTITIONAL ARRANGEMENTS Scotland contributed some £90 billion to the UK treasury. Try trebling that in reality.”
— No, it is not treble that in reality. The figures in GERS are reliable.

“From that it received back some £41 billion of its own money.”
— It is the UK’s money, not Scotland’s money.

“And from that it underspent.”
— The Scottish Government spends every penny of the block grant. There is no underspend, just end of year carry-forwards and adjustments.

“In terms of the Uk. Scotland cannot borrow.”
— Scotland can borrow but the amount is restricted.

“So it cannot create something it cannot do. In short the pish know as GERs showsd Scotland has a zero deficit.”
— We don’t need GERS to know that Scotland does not have a deficit. Scotland would only ever have a deficit if it were independent. GERS gives us a good indication of what that would be on day 1. 

“That debt is 100% Englsih and Scotland has no obligation to pay any of it.”
— There is no debt, just a notional deficit.

“I am not suggesting Scotland may or may not be a power house. I am telling you it is.”
— Ok, I note that you are telling me that Scotland is a powerhouse but whether you are right about this or not, as I think that I said before, so what?

“Now if you have figures to the contrary of what i gave on my last post. Put money where gob is.

In terms of the Englsih debt.”
—It is UK debt even if you choose to think of it as English debt.

“It is £2.9 trillion. Covid not included. Yes that really is £2,975,504,900,900 and rising at nearly £6000 per second. Or put it another way that is nearly £48,000 per UK citizen. Thats me. Or to put it another way that is nearly £90,000 per UK tax payer. Thats me. And that from which the Scottish payers pays a £8.4% share of English debt,”
— UK debt not English debt.

“on that debt the Scots did not need or ask for. Or recieved one penny. And all this crap Scotland get bigger share than England. Is just that. Utter crap.”
— I can’t even guess what you are meaning here unless you are denying that Scotland gets far more per capita for spending on devolved matters than is spend on the same matters in England, in which case it is not utter crap but the truth.

“So here is what I am asking you. If you disagree then correct what I have just posted. Go on be a devil and be a first. Then point out to me one benefit, one benefit will suffice. How economically Scotland would be better of being part of the UK.”
— Scotland wouldn’t be better off being in the UK; it is already part of the UK and, as GERS shows us, it benefits fiscally to the tune of around £25 billion per annum as a result of this.

“The clue. Scotland can no longer afford bankrupt England and being screwed.”
— England is not bankrupt, Scotland is not being screwed ( far from it, indeed) and Scotland cannot afford to do without the annual fiscal leg up it receives each year, effectively from the English part of our country.

Raw nerve struck I think. The fact that you could not see the link between Sevco (aka Rangers) and unionism was evidence enough for me to doubt your "I am Scottish" claims.
Why is it anti-English to see England as a foreign country? France is foreign but I am not anti-French. So, why jump to, wrong, conclusions about my view of English people? The fact that Scotland has not returned a majority of Tories since 1955, yet has been governed by Tories for 45 years of the intervening 69 shows that English votes have imposed unwanted Tory Governments to rule over my country, one of England's last colonies.
There is nothing remotely anti-English about stating facts. Scotland did not vote for any of the Tory Governments since 1955. Scotland was forced out of the EU by the majority of English voters. Those are facts.
Cameron agreed to the referendum because he believed that the cause of Independence would be trounced and put to bed forever. It didn't work out that way and the 10% difference was too close for comfort. You believe they aren't fighting tooth & nail to keep Scotland imprisoned? Well, ask yourself this, why have all requests for a further referendum been dismissed out of hand? The simple reason is that the UK establishment are fully aware that the Polls are about neck and neck. They know how their stories of doom and gloom were debunked by the forensic work of Wings, and other bloggers, in the 2014 campaign. It was a pity that the 60+ age group voted so heavily for staying part of UK. But there are reasons for that outcome: they were the ones least likely to have a computer and were therefore not open to, probably not even aware of, the YES bloggers. They were the ones most likely to read the propaganda stories in the Mail/Express/Telegraph, indeed any newspaper. The ones who watched, and listened to the biased beeb. Now, many of that demographic have passed away. Meanwhile, 10 years worth of younger people, people who were too young to vote in 2014, have come onto the electoral roll. And the 16-25  age group is heavily pro-Independence. The Brit Establishment were shitting themselves in 2014 as they saw the gap in voting intentions closing, with that famous YouGov poll showing YES ahead leading to a massive pro-Brit campaign. Salmond believed that, had the poll came even one week later the counter offensive would not have got off the ground. They are not about to open themselves up to any possibility of losing the UKs cash cow.
I do call Westminster the English Parliament. Look at the numbers. It is so obvious. I am amazed that you can't see it for what it is, but then I remember what an ultra yoon you are. 
Your bit on Brexit is bullshit and you know it!!! To point out the bleeding obvious is not anti-English. 62% of Scots voted Remain but were outvoted by a hoodwinked section of England's electorate.
You'll have to come up with some decent examples to help in your dismal quest to prove that I am anti-English.

I have not bothered answering your question about ScotGov & Gers for the simple reason that I had already responded. That Scot Gov goes along with the sophistry and trickery, emanating from figures provided by Westminster for the dodgy documents, is a complete mystery.

Ah Mr Stupid at his stupid best. That is correct. In terms of UK debt the Scottish Government who have undespent every year does not have any borrowing power it cannot create something it cannot do. The debt as confirmed by the UKL treasury many moons ago is entirely down to bankrupt England and the Scots have no legal responsibility for one penny.  They did not borrow anything. Let me quote the UK treasury.at the last indyref.. . Better therefore to be blunt and clear, that the full £1.4tn would stay as a liability of England, Wales and Northern Ireland - and that there would be no legal requirement on Scottish people to pay any of it.  The English debt then was £1.4 trillion.  It is nearly treble that now as bankrupt England cannot live within its mean.  Would you care to correct that Mr stupid.  Oh look the UK Treasury and Robert Peston has it all wrong.  You better let them know Mr Stupid.  In terms of the EU.  Where did you get this pish from.   

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-25712350
www.thenational.scot/news/23933663.scotland-would-welcomed-back-eu-open-arms/

In terms  of your havering slavering drivel about the Scots voting Labour. The Unionist party's in Scotland are heading for a wipe out.  And matey the Tory wankers in England are heading  for the same.   It is on the cards  bankrupt England will vote in Labour. Or should I say Tory Labour.  And in terms of the majority of Scots wishing to remain the UK.  Where do you get your pish from.  Your friend who you used to quote and is now in jail in Nottingham for sex offences and stalking.  And I am still waiting on all this evidence you have that the former FM stole  £600,000  and the present gave money to Hamas  so his family could leave Gaza. That is what you said.  Now in terms of what you describe as nonsense.  Would you like to point to one post.  Just one will do.  And correcc what I said. Or are you going down the road of political numpties who just rant they have corrected it, in one breath.  Then in the next they rant undiluted bollocks it was unintelligible.  Meaning like you, they did not have a clue.  By the way.  On the statement by the UK treasury that England would be total responsible.  They had to do that.  As bankrupt England lost its AAA rating, as nobody trusts them and it has never recovered. That has costg the tax payer billions.  I await with bated breath more pish.  No answers.  Just Jock hating pish. 

TE hee.  I see you have no problem in understand utter stupidity.  You should try taking up politics.  Now would you and Mr Stupid care to correct below in italics.   Both state it is wrong. And I still cannot find where you corrected it.  Would you like to give a link.  Or was that to difficult for you to understand

You are ranting on about GERs and clearly do not have a clue how it works. You made that more than evident. And bankrupt England does not pay its way in the Uk. Its debt is 97% to GDP. That means matey for every £100 it spends it has to borrow £97. So stop ranting clueless garbage. And you are not agreeing GERs is not a set of accounts showing spending in Scotland. you are ranting utter shite to the contrary. The only figure you need to fit in your skull along with stupid Englishmen who rant the bollocks that you do. Is that under the Barnett consequentials Scotland receives a block grant.. it does not get a block grant, of its own money, on a calculation of the public spending required in bankrupt England. If that public expenditure exceeds what is required in bankrupt England. Say on the NHS. Then Scotland gets a further share of its own money under the Barnett consequential. It does not work the other way around.

I do not have the exact figures to hand. Or be arsed to look them up for you to dismiss with waffle and wave of a hand. . But it is near enough to suggest that UNDER PRESENT CONSTITIONAL ARRANGEMENTS Scotland contributed some £90 billion to the UK treasury. Try trebling that in reality. From that it received back some £41 billion of its own money. And from that it underspent. In terms of the Uk. Scotland cannot borrow. So it cannot create something it cannot do. In short the pish know as GERs showsd Scotland has a zero deficit. That debt is 100% Englsih and Scotland has no obligation to pay any of it. I am not suggesting Scotland may or may not be a power house. I am telling you it is. Now if you have figures to the contrary of what i gave on my last post. Put money where gob is.

In terms of the Englsih debt. It is £2.9 trillion. Covid not included. Yes that really is £2,975,504,900,900 and rising at nearly £6000 per second. Or put it another way that is nearly £48,000 per UK citizen. Thats me. Or to put it another way that is nearly £90,000 per UK tax payer. Thats me. And that from which the Scottish payers pays a £8.4% share of English debt, on that debt the Scots did not need or ask for. Or recieved one penny. And all this crap Scotland get bigger share than England. Is just that. Utter crap. So here is what I am asking you. If you disagree then correct what I have just posted. Go on be a devil and be a first. Then point out to me one benefit, one benefit will suffice. How economically Scotland would be better of being part of the UK. The clue. Scotland can no longer afford bankrupt England and being screwed.

Has it now dawned on you that the Scots are not responsible for one penny of the massive English debt who you rant pays its way in the UK.  Or like Mr Stupid  are you going to say the UK treasury has it wrong.  And just for your info.  When this bunch of Westminster English Tory fascist wankers took power in 2010.  The English debt was £1.1 trillion and the PSBR was some £40 billion a year. Today and covid not included.  That debt is £2.9 trillion as described above and the PSBR is now £131 billion. So not only is the debt 97% of GDP.  The deficit is 5.1% of GDP.  In short Everything has nearly trebled under this bunch of incompetent fascist wankers in Westminster.  Or was that to difficult for you to understand as well.  Would you care to correct it. Oh I forgot.  You use the invisible pages for that. By the way I see the racist who bankrolls the English Tory tosspot is  being investigated. 

Here we go again. I think you should take the title Mr stupid.  Let me repeat again.  The Barnett formula is a mechanism used by the Treasury in the United Kingdom to automatically adjust the amounts of public expenditure allocated to Northern Ireland, Scotland and Wales to reflect changes in spending levels allocated to public services in England, England and Wales, as appropriate.It also dictates the Scottish Block grant. How nice. England telling the Scots how much of their own money they are going to get. As a percentage of what they need.. With the caveat. It only kicks in when bankrupt England needs extra money. Has that sunk in.

GERS is not a set of accounts showing spending in Scotland. It does not tell us anything about the finances of an independent Scotland (it states that very clearly in the report itself). GERS is the state of Scotland’s finances as part of the UK, has that sunk in. . Its called UNDER PRESENT CONSITIONAL ARRANGEMENT. Take the 8.4% shit out of this or the 8.4% crap out that. Watch England's bankrupt economy shrink by a minimum of around £100 billion. If being part of the UK is an advantage why is Scotland poorer than similar-sized independent nations that would kill for our economic advantages and natural wealth? The answer is that GERS includes spending outside Scotland, spending on debt that was not generated by Scotland. Has that sunk in.  Spending that does not benefit the Scottish economy and would not be required in an independent Scotland. In other words, if GERS shows a deficit it is proof that being part of the UK is holding Scotland’s economy back and harming the wellbeing of our nation. In short a load of shite. That does not show the state of bankrupt England, with its massive debt  and cannot live within its means. Causing it to borrow on a  galactic scale. Scotland can no longer afford debt ridden England. Care to correct it. Not to mention since it took  power the Scottish Government has underspent. Has that sunk in. Would you care to correct that. . 

For the simple minded and Mr stupid again. Using GERs Excluding London and the south-east, the rest of England has more than twice Scotland’s deficit while Wales and Northern Ireland are even worse, which just shows how much the City of London financial sector siphons off the profits generated in the rest of the UK. Has that sunk in.  Or let me put it likes this. If GERs was used to calculate lets say the Dutch economy. This is how it would work To calculate the Dutch 'deficit' in the way we calculate Scotland's, the first thing you'd do is take about 20 per cent of Dutch public spending – and stop spending it in the Netherlands. Instead you'd send all that money to London so it could be spent there instead.And yes, that would immediately shrink the Dutch economy and its tax revenue at the expense of further boosting economic growth in London. Just as it does with Scotland.Would you care to correct that. And finally.  Scotland is a country.  It is part of a sovereign state of 4 countries.  The King is the king of England and head of state in Scotland. Has that  sunk in.