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Post by dappy on Feb 13, 2024 10:39:12 GMT
All names currently on the ballot paper will remain on the ballot paper. Indeed the ballot paper will probably state "Azhar ali - The Labour Party candidate" even though he is no longer endorsed by them. Similarly the ballot paper will contain the name Guy Otten - Green party even though he is not endorsed by them either. I imagine some voters will vote for them not realising that they are no longer official party candidates. Galloway is now bookies favourite. Should be a good opportunity for Reform - but they have chosen a sex pest. Really strange election.
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 13, 2024 11:02:00 GMT
Is this Azhar Ali chap standing as an independent? No he's still standing has labour but labour have withdrawn support for him |
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Post by see2 on Feb 13, 2024 11:07:16 GMT
Come on, it is obvious what has happened here. He was pandering to a specific audience, so fed them some antisemitic meat to take off some of heat he was getting over Starmer's refusal to call for a ceasefire. Labour disagree with you, they say promoting a conspiracy theory that suggests Israel would allow over a thousand of its children and women to be raped, tortured and murdered just so they could invade Gaza is antisemitic. His previous record counts for nothing. He repeated a antisemitic conspiracy and that is why he had to go. There is more shit coming out of Rochdale, one of the Labour local election candidates has been videoed calling Starmer a "war criminal" lol. Sir unkleir .........We love a human rights lawyer, don't we, folks?
So you have still not found that second brain cell. |
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Post by see2 on Feb 13, 2024 11:09:37 GMT
Is this Azhar Ali chap standing as an independent? No he's still standing has labour but labour have withdrawn support for him Just as he has done before  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 13, 2024 11:29:21 GMT
Is this Azhar Ali chap standing as an independent? No he's still standing has labour but labour have withdrawn support for him Flaw in the system wouldn't you say. People will look at the ballot and see Azhar Ali as the Labour candidate, but he isn't. Labour have withdrawn support for Ali. He will not be replaced because it is not possible to amend the ballot now that nominations have closed. If he is elected, Labour will remove the whip and he will become an independent MP. Labour have effectively conceded the seat. However, people voting in the Rochdale by-election will look at the ballot and see Azhar Ali as the Labour candidate. |
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 13, 2024 11:49:38 GMT
Come on, it is obvious what has happened here. He was pandering to a specific audience, so fed them some antisemitic meat to take off some of heat he was getting over Starmer's refusal to call for a ceasefire. Labour disagree with you, they say promoting a conspiracy theory that suggests Israel would allow over a thousand of its children and women to be raped, tortured and murdered just so they could invade Gaza is antisemitic. His previous record counts for nothing. He repeated a antisemitic conspiracy and that is why he had to go. There is more shit coming out of Rochdale, one of the Labour local election candidates has been videoed calling Starmer a "war criminal" lol. Sorry, but you are completely wrong Mr Ali repeated a theory which was all over social media, that Israel ( The STATE of Israel ) not Jewish people, had ignored warnings about a possible attack, and that The State or Government of Israel had ignored those warnings, because they knew that it would be a perfect excuse to wipe Gaza of the map, which is seemingly what the IDF are doing. If you believe that subscribing to such a theory constitutes Anti Semetism, then you clearly need to research what Anti Semetism REALLY means. Mr Ali may be a fool, and he may have made unfounded statements, but he has not stated anything which is anti semetic. It seems to me that the state of Israel, and its Far Right government, are attempting to shut down valid criticism by using the Anti Semetism card. In my opinion the government of Israel are criminals, War Criminals, and no better than the Russians in Ukraine, but I will be damned if you can turn my opinion against me and suggest that I am Anti Semitic. So Labour say it is an anti-sematic conspiracy theory, as do many political commentators, as does the media, hence the massive scandal... but you are dancing on a pin to deny it is. So why has he resigned? He knew exactly what he was doing, he was playing to the crowd, and here you are saying "he was a fool". It is antisemitic because people who believe it are so PEJUDICE AGAINST JEWS that they believe Jews are capable of allowing their own people to be slaughtered just so they can attack Gaza. You may be happy pretending that "sneaky Jew" conspiracies that belong in 1930s Germany are not antisemitic, but don't expect other people to agree with you. Nobody has a problem with criticism of Israel, what they have a problem with is one-sided criticism. That being the case, you have just nailed your colours to the mast by saying they are no better than Russians in Ukraine. Ukraine did not invade Russia and rape, torture and murder over one thousand Russian children and women. Ukraine is not holding Russians hostage. A normal right minded person would be calling for Hamas to surrender and give up the hostages and then demand that Israeli troops leave Gaza immediately. |
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 13, 2024 11:53:10 GMT
No he's still standing has labour but labour have withdrawn support for him Flaw in the system wouldn't you say. People will look at the ballot and see Azhar Ali as the Labour candidate, but he isn't. Labour have withdrawn support for Ali. He will not be replaced because it is not possible to amend the ballot now that nominations have closed. If he is elected, Labour will remove the whip and he will become an independent MP. Labour have effectively conceded the seat. However, people voting in the Rochdale by-election will look at the ballot and see Azhar Ali as the Labour candidate. To be fair to Labour they probably have to be careful because of election rules. The test of Starmer will come when Ali wins. He should immediately call for Ali to give up his seat and make it clear they will replace him with a different candidate at the General Election. |
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Post by dappy on Feb 13, 2024 12:00:34 GMT
It is antisemitic because people who believe it are so PEJUDICE AGAINST JEWS that they believe Jews are capable of allowing their own people to be slaughtered just so they can attack Gaza. You may be happy pretending that "sneaky Jew" conspiracies that belong in 1930s Germany are not antisemitic, but don't expect other people to agree with you.
Have to say DD, I don't think that questioning how the extremely talented intelligence services from a country constantly on guard with very good sources embedded in the Palestinian community and in neighbouring countries (eg Egypt) intelligence services could possibly have missed an attack on this scale is not anti-semitic. I certainly find that failure very very hard to believe. I have no issue whatsoever with Jewish people. I do however believe that Jewish people are human beings just like human beings of other religions and with just the same human frailities. Do I believe that human politicians may make a calculation that if it served their country's and their personal overall ambitions, they may turn a blind eye to a few of their people paying the ultimate price - frankly yes. It is possible that this was just cock up - most conspiracies are but possible too that the authorities turned a blind eye and were then perhaps surprised that the anticipated attack was bigger in scale and more "successful" than they had calculated.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 13, 2024 12:09:14 GMT
Flaw in the system wouldn't you say. People will look at the ballot and see Azhar Ali as the Labour candidate, but he isn't. Labour have withdrawn support for Ali. He will not be replaced because it is not possible to amend the ballot now that nominations have closed. If he is elected, Labour will remove the whip and he will become an independent MP. Labour have effectively conceded the seat. However, people voting in the Rochdale by-election will look at the ballot and see Azhar Ali as the Labour candidate. To be fair to Labour they probably have to be careful because of election rules. The test of Starmer will come when Ali wins. He should immediately call for Ali to give up his seat and make it clear they will replace him with a different candidate at the General Election. Well yes quite but the fact is, even though the ballot incorrectly says he is standing as the Labour candidate he does not have to, indeed will not have to give up his seat if elected. He will simply sit in the commons as an independent. From what I've listened to there is no way of dealing with this because it's never happened before. Should we assume measures will be put in place to ensure it doesn't happen again, lol. |
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 13, 2024 12:18:56 GMT
It is antisemitic because people who believe it are so PEJUDICE AGAINST JEWS that they believe Jews are capable of allowing their own people to be slaughtered just so they can attack Gaza. You may be happy pretending that "sneaky Jew" conspiracies that belong in 1930s Germany are not antisemitic, but don't expect other people to agree with you.Have to say DD, I don't think that questioning how the extremely talented intelligence services from a country constantly on guard with very good sources embedded in the Palestinian community and in neighbouring countries (eg Egypt) intelligence services could possibly have missed an attack on this scale is not anti-semitic. I certainly find that failure very very hard to believe. I have no issue whatsoever with Jewish people. I do however believe that Jewish people are human beings just like human beings of other religions and with just the same human frailities. Do I believe that human politicians may make a calculation that if it served their country's and their personal overall ambitions, they may turn a blind eye to a few of their people paying the ultimate price - frankly yes. It is possible that this was just cock up - most conspiracies are but possible too that the authorities turned a blind eye and were then perhaps surprised that the anticipated attack was bigger in scale and more "successful" than they had calculated. Listen to his words "he was in political trouble so he cashed it.... he pulled the security... to allow that massacre". |
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Post by dappy on Feb 13, 2024 12:38:13 GMT
To be fair to Labour they probably have to be careful because of election rules. The test of Starmer will come when Ali wins. He should immediately call for Ali to give up his seat and make it clear they will replace him with a different candidate at the General Election. Well yes quite but the fact is, even though the ballot incorrectly says he is standing as the Labour candidate he does not have to, indeed will not have to give up his seat if elected. He will simply sit in the commons as an independent. From what I've listened to there is no way of dealing with this because it's never happened before. Should we assume measures will be put in place to ensure it doesn't happen again, lol. Any MP is theoretically elected as a person not a party representative and hence there is of course nothing to stop any MP choosing to change party or sit as an independent at any time. Being independent is actually not rare - indeed there are currently 18 (three more than LDs). One MP has sat in two different parties and as an independent in this parliament alone. |
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Post by dappy on Feb 13, 2024 12:44:24 GMT
It is antisemitic because people who believe it are so PEJUDICE AGAINST JEWS that they believe Jews are capable of allowing their own people to be slaughtered just so they can attack Gaza. You may be happy pretending that "sneaky Jew" conspiracies that belong in 1930s Germany are not antisemitic, but don't expect other people to agree with you.Have to say DD, I don't think that questioning how the extremely talented intelligence services from a country constantly on guard with very good sources embedded in the Palestinian community and in neighbouring countries (eg Egypt) intelligence services could possibly have missed an attack on this scale is not anti-semitic. I certainly find that failure very very hard to believe. I have no issue whatsoever with Jewish people. I do however believe that Jewish people are human beings just like human beings of other religions and with just the same human frailities. Do I believe that human politicians may make a calculation that if it served their country's and their personal overall ambitions, they may turn a blind eye to a few of their people paying the ultimate price - frankly yes. It is possible that this was just cock up - most conspiracies are but possible too that the authorities turned a blind eye and were then perhaps surprised that the anticipated attack was bigger in scale and more "successful" than they had calculated. Listen to his words "he was in political trouble so he cashed it.... he pulled the security... to allow that massacre". Whether you agree with his analysis or not is hardly the point. He suggests that Netanyahu is a pretty brutal political operator and may have calculated that the cost of allowing the Hamas attack was worth the wider benefits for the country and for his own political career. Whether you think that supposition is credible or not is for you to decide. Surely though it only becomes anti semitic if your logic is that jewish people and politicians are more likely than people and politicians of other faith to make such a brutal calculation and hence that calculation was made because Netanyahu is jewish rather than because Netanyahu is a pretty horrbile human being who happens to be jewish. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 13, 2024 13:02:44 GMT
Well yes quite but the fact is, even though the ballot incorrectly says he is standing as the Labour candidate he does not have to, indeed will not have to give up his seat if elected. He will simply sit in the commons as an independent. From what I've listened to there is no way of dealing with this because it's never happened before. Should we assume measures will be put in place to ensure it doesn't happen again, lol. Any MP is theoretically elected as a person not a party representative and hence there is of course nothing to stop any MP choosing to change party or sit as an independent at any time. Being independent is actually not rare - indeed there are currently 18 (three more than LDs). One MP has sat in two different parties and as an independent in this parliament alone. What has any of that got to do with this thread? Constituents in Rochdale will look at their ballot paper and see Azhar Ali named as the Labour candidate, but he isn't the Labour candidate and if elected will not be a Labour MP. |
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Post by dappy on Feb 13, 2024 13:07:24 GMT
I agree. It’s an odd situation.
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Post by borchester on Feb 13, 2024 13:18:51 GMT
Any MP is theoretically elected as a person not a party representative and hence there is of course nothing to stop any MP choosing to change party or sit as an independent at any time. Being independent is actually not rare - indeed there are currently 18 (three more than LDs). One MP has sat in two different parties and as an independent in this parliament alone. What has any of that got to do with this thread? Constituents in Rochdale will look at their ballot paper and see Azhar Ali named as the Labour candidate, but he isn't the Labour candidate and if elected will not be a Labour MP. I doubt that Rochdale has a particularly high Jewish population, so Azhar Ali will still be able to get in. And then the party will be able to find someone more discreet before the General Election |
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