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Post by see2 on Feb 16, 2024 15:00:56 GMT
Denigration has always been been favoured by sicko Righties, Trump is an excellent example for one.
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 17, 2024 7:15:52 GMT
The Labour candidate crossed a line when he went beyond merely criticising Israel to invoke conspiracy theories. Yet it took Starmer two whole days to renounce him and then he only did it because he was bounced into it by the media. Why? I can tell you based upon my own former experience in the party. The rule book is not applied evenly. It is used as a tool against left wingers rapidly and on the slightest pretext whilst Blairites and centrists and those on the right of the party are protected. The rules have long been used in a partisan way to wage a factional campaign against left wingers whilst right wingers get a free pass. Indeed, in my experience any complaints against right wingers breaking the rules tend to be ignored. One right wing Labour councillor down here even assaulted a party member, yet because he was of the correct faction no action was taken. Had a left winger done that he would have been suspended almost immediately and shortly kicked out of the party. The rules are rarely enforced even-handedly. They are enforced much less severely and often not at all against those of the correct faction. This is why those of us who were once inside the party hold it and it's rules in utter contempt. Anyway, the above needs to be understood to understand why it took two whole days for Starmer to act, and why he only did so when media criticism forced him to. You see, the candidate is a party right winger, a centrist, a Blairite. The rules don't exist to sanction their own faction, merely the left. Doing absolutely nothing about this candidate because he is on the right of the party is actually their default reaction. Only when the media forced his hand did Starmer react. And this is the problem in Labour. Those in charge do not see the rules as a set standard for all, to be enforced even-handedly in the interests of natural justice. The rules are seen as a partisan tool to wage factional war against internal party enemies. They tend to not enforce them against their own unless they have to. Having seen numerous instances of this up close and personal is a major reason why I do not trust, and never will trust, the bastards currently in charge of the party. Many of them in my experience are in it for themselves, with few principles not up for sale, no compromise they will not make to get where they want to be. Understand what I have said about the way they see the rules as a factional tool only to be deployed against their internal enemies and you understand why Starmer took so long to take action. Labour candidate crossed a line when he went beyond merely criticising Israel to invoke conspiracy theories. Yet it took Starmer two whole days to renounce him and then he only did it because he was bounced into it by the media. Let's see what Jeremy Corbyn reaction To the Hamas is friends terrorist attack was. Close Jeremy Corbyn refuses to answer reporter’s question: ‘do you condemn Hamas?’ r]Jeremy Corbyn has refused to condemn Hamas after militants stormed settlements in southern Israel, killing and taking hostage both soldiers and civilians in a surprise attack. The former Labour leader said “all attacks are wrong” and repeated his call for an end to Israel’s occupation of Palestine. “Which, of course, is fundamentally the background to the whole issue,” Mr Corbyn said. He's justifying the Hamas attack. By saying occupation of Palestine. “Which, of course, is fundamentally the background to the whole issue,”
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2024 10:26:48 GMT
The Labour candidate crossed a line when he went beyond merely criticising Israel to invoke conspiracy theories. Yet it took Starmer two whole days to renounce him and then he only did it because he was bounced into it by the media. Why? I can tell you based upon my own former experience in the party. The rule book is not applied evenly. It is used as a tool against left wingers rapidly and on the slightest pretext whilst Blairites and centrists and those on the right of the party are protected. The rules have long been used in a partisan way to wage a factional campaign against left wingers whilst right wingers get a free pass. Indeed, in my experience any complaints against right wingers breaking the rules tend to be ignored. One right wing Labour councillor down here even assaulted a party member, yet because he was of the correct faction no action was taken. Had a left winger done that he would have been suspended almost immediately and shortly kicked out of the party. The rules are rarely enforced even-handedly. They are enforced much less severely and often not at all against those of the correct faction. This is why those of us who were once inside the party hold it and it's rules in utter contempt. Anyway, the above needs to be understood to understand why it took two whole days for Starmer to act, and why he only did so when media criticism forced him to. You see, the candidate is a party right winger, a centrist, a Blairite. The rules don't exist to sanction their own faction, merely the left. Doing absolutely nothing about this candidate because he is on the right of the party is actually their default reaction. Only when the media forced his hand did Starmer react. And this is the problem in Labour. Those in charge do not see the rules as a set standard for all, to be enforced even-handedly in the interests of natural justice. The rules are seen as a partisan tool to wage factional war against internal party enemies. They tend to not enforce them against their own unless they have to. Having seen numerous instances of this up close and personal is a major reason why I do not trust, and never will trust, the bastards currently in charge of the party. Many of them in my experience are in it for themselves, with few principles not up for sale, no compromise they will not make to get where they want to be. Understand what I have said about the way they see the rules as a factional tool only to be deployed against their internal enemies and you understand why Starmer took so long to take action. Labour candidate crossed a line when he went beyond merely criticising Israel to invoke conspiracy theories. Yet it took Starmer two whole days to renounce him and then he only did it because he was bounced into it by the media. Let's see what Jeremy Corbyn reaction To the Hamas is friends terrorist attack was. Close Jeremy Corbyn refuses to answer reporter’s question: ‘do you condemn Hamas?’ r]Jeremy Corbyn has refused to condemn Hamas after militants stormed settlements in southern Israel, killing and taking hostage both soldiers and civilians in a surprise attack. The former Labour leader said “all attacks are wrong” and repeated his call for an end to Israel’s occupation of Palestine. “Which, of course, is fundamentally the background to the whole issue,” Mr Corbyn said. He's justifying the Hamas attack. By saying occupation of Palestine. “Which, of course, is fundamentally the background to the whole issue,” Firstly, whataboutery is no defence. Secondly, I am well aware that Corbyn's responses are sometimes less than helpful, though the point that the events of October 7th did not come out of a vacuum but had a history of conflict behind them is a valid one to make if we are to understand the cycle of violence in the region that has lasted for many decades. And it is reasonable to be critical of both sides in this, especially since Israel appears to have killed far far more civilians than Hamas did, as is always the case. But Hamas itself must bear some of the responsibility for that by placing weapons systems in civilian areas, and for launching the October 7th attacks in the first place of course. And thirdly, just because I am a moderate left winger does not mean I hero worship Corbyn in all things except in your own fervid imagination. The same imagination that sees me as a far left extremist and some sort of Trotskyite, just for essentially wanting a fairer deal for tenants, workers, energy bill payers and the young. So trying to use Corbyn as a stick to beat me with is pathetic. I am my own person who knows my own mind and it is my own thoughts I am expressing here. What Corbyn thinks is in the end irrelevent to that. I do not agree with anything just because Corbyn thinks it.
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 19, 2024 1:39:57 GMT
So attack ads are favoured by "sickos". Thanks for clarifying that you think Labour are "sickos".Also, as you insist facts are not facts till a court proves them then this attack ad on Sunak was denigration / insinuation / smear hahaha
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Post by buccaneer on Feb 19, 2024 9:15:00 GMT
So attack ads are favoured by "sickos". Thanks for clarifying that you think Labour are "sickos".Also, as you insist facts are not facts till a court proves them then this attack ad on Sunak was denigration / insinuation / smear hahaha The poster you're conversing with is best given a wide berth dd.
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