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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 11, 2024 15:23:22 GMT
If you honestly think that the only reason fewer people support the Tories now than in 2019 is because Bozo is not leader, you are delusional. Where is your evidence to support that? Evidence of what they thought 5 years ago is only evidence of what they thought 5 years ago. No, I asked the question - the clue is in the word "Perhaps". Many people are unhappy with the way that Boris was unseated. What evidence do you have that it's not a factor in the Tories (alleged) loss of popularity? |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2024 15:23:57 GMT
And one other thing. I cannot be arsed with responding individually to an array of separate quotes. So I chose to respond to the most baseless assumption above, that the reason the Tories are less popular than in 2019 is because Bozo is not their leader, which totally ignores all the evidence that far fewer people trust him now. He was already losing much of his popularity when they ditched him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2024 15:28:04 GMT
If you honestly think that the only reason fewer people support the Tories now than in 2019 is because Bozo is not leader, you are delusional. Where is your evidence to support that? Evidence of what they thought 5 years ago is only evidence of what they thought 5 years ago. No, I asked the question - the clue is in the word "Perhaps". Many people are unhappy with the way that Boris was unseated. What evidence do you have that it's not a factor in the Tories (alleged) loss of popularity? You put it forward as a possibility in other words, whose likelihood is laughably tiny, but which his cheerleaders love to keep telling themselves. We might share one thing though, a desire to see Bozo back in charge. You because you seem to harbour a belief that he can turn things around. Me in anticipation of the total car crash likely to ensue. It is all hypothetical anyway. But my own opinion is that those who think Bozo is the solution to Tory woes are kidding themselves. |
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Post by Dogburger on Feb 11, 2024 16:11:50 GMT
And one other thing. I cannot be arsed with responding individually to an array of separate quotes. So I chose to respond to the most baseless assumption above, that the reason the Tories are less popular than in 2019 is because Bozo is not their leader, which totally ignores all the evidence that far fewer people trust him now. He was already losing much of his popularity when they ditched him. His popularity was maybe exaggerated somewhat by the Brexit party giving him a free ride in 2019 . The get brexit done promise was his last chance to prove he was still on programme which led to his 80 seat maj . He lost that support when he got what for many was a weak deal with the EU. Internally the party hasn't changed much on who they support , the parliamentary part supports the democrat and the members support the conservative |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 11, 2024 16:40:24 GMT
No, I asked the question - the clue is in the word "Perhaps". Many people are unhappy with the way that Boris was unseated. What evidence do you have that it's not a factor in the Tories (alleged) loss of popularity? You put it forward as a possibility in other words, whose likelihood is laughably tiny, but which his cheerleaders love to keep telling themselves. We might share one thing though, a desire to see Bozo back in charge. You because you seem to harbour a belief that he can turn things around. Me in anticipation of the total car crash likely to ensue. It is all hypothetical anyway. But my own opinion is that those who think Bozo is the solution to Tory woes are kidding themselves. Nope, wrong again.
Seriously, Shrieks - stop assuming and start reading. 🙄
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Post by witchfinder on Feb 11, 2024 16:53:26 GMT
December 2021 was the last time any of the major polling organisations gave the Conservative Party a lead over Labour. This was six months before Boris Johnson resigned as Prime Minister.
The Labour lead in the first half of 2022 averaged 7 points
Johnson announced his resignation in early July 2022, but stayed on as caretaker PM until Liz Truss became the new PM in SEptember, during this period the Labour lead grew averaging between 10 and 12 points.
When Johnson stepped down and Liz Truss took over, the Labour lead then surged to a lead of over 20 points.
From October of 2022 when Rishi Sunak took over, until now, a period of 16 months, the polls have altered very little, and the average Labour lead is still around 20 points.
So evidence suggests that PERHAPS Boris Johnson might be a little bit more popular than Rishi Sunak, but by not enough.
If Boris Johnson were to be brought back, it would in my opinion, further split both the Conservative Party and the Conservative voter, making many very angry.
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 11, 2024 17:00:35 GMT
December 2021 was the last time any of the major polling organisations gave the Conservative Party a lead over Labour. This was six months before Boris Johnson resigned as Prime Minister. The Labour lead in the first half of 2022 averaged 7 points Johnson announced his resignation in early July 2022, but stayed on as caretaker PM until Liz Truss became the new PM in SEptember, during this period the Labour lead grew averaging between 10 and 12 points. When Johnson stepped down and Liz Truss took over, the Labour lead then surged to a lead of over 20 points. From October of 2022 when Rishi Sunak took over, until now, a period of 16 months, the polls have altered very little, and the average Labour lead is still around 20 points. So evidence suggests that PERHAPS Boris Johnson might be a little bit more popular than Rishi Sunak, but by not enough. If Boris Johnson were to be brought back, it would in my opinion, further split both the Conservative Party and the Conservative voter, making many very angry. Can't understand why Boris Johnson would be popular with anyone in the right frame of mind |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 11, 2024 17:15:50 GMT
The irony.  |
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Post by dodgydave on Feb 11, 2024 17:16:35 GMT
December 2021 was the last time any of the major polling organisations gave the Conservative Party a lead over Labour. This was six months before Boris Johnson resigned as Prime Minister. The Labour lead in the first half of 2022 averaged 7 points Johnson announced his resignation in early July 2022, but stayed on as caretaker PM until Liz Truss became the new PM in SEptember, during this period the Labour lead grew averaging between 10 and 12 points. When Johnson stepped down and Liz Truss took over, the Labour lead then surged to a lead of over 20 points. From October of 2022 when Rishi Sunak took over, until now, a period of 16 months, the polls have altered very little, and the average Labour lead is still around 20 points. So evidence suggests that PERHAPS Boris Johnson might be a little bit more popular than Rishi Sunak, but by not enough. If Boris Johnson were to be brought back, it would in my opinion, further split both the Conservative Party and the Conservative voter, making many very angry. Can't understand why Boris Johnson would be popular with anyone in the right frame of mind Try listening to what they say then lol. For many it is the principle that the public voted for him, so it should have been the public that decided if he was to remain PM... ie at a GE... unlike the unelected Truss / Sunak. Also, it is pretty much like your partisan automatic defense of Starmer / Biden, they refuse to acknowledge the negative sides of his character. |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 11, 2024 17:19:03 GMT
The irony. You seem to fit the description well Oh the Irony . If the cap fits wear it |
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Post by Totheleft on Feb 11, 2024 17:25:24 GMT
Can't understand why Boris Johnson would be popular with anyone in the right frame of mind Try listening to what they say then lol. For many it is the principle that the public voted for him, so it should have been the public that decided if he was to remain PM... ie at a GE... unlike the unelected Truss / Sunak. Also, it is pretty much like your partisan automatic defense of Starmer / Biden, they refuse to acknowledge the negative sides of his character. when have I defended Biden? Let's not forget Boris like thather was Chucked out of No 10 because they become a liberty. Has much has I disliked Thatcher and her policys she outshoon Boris every way. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Feb 11, 2024 17:33:01 GMT
The irony. Hey, you're free to hang your hat on him if you want. That's the great thing about democracies. Other people are free to join you too. Just don't be too surprised if you're in a minority and he's more hated than in 2019 though. |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 11, 2024 17:53:51 GMT
The irony. Hey, you're free to hang your hat on him if you want. That's the great thing about democracies. Other people are free to join you too. Just don't be too surprised if you're in a minority and he's more hated than in 2019 though. He was once put up as the Saviour of representative democracy and the Westminster party, that turned into a very damp squid. He might well have done one thing he said he would, he never mentioned all the things he did that weren't in any manifesto though. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 11, 2024 18:01:01 GMT
The irony. Hey, you're free to hang your hat on him if you want. That's the great thing about democracies. Other people are free to join you too. Just don't be too surprised if you're in a minority and he's more hated than in 2019 though. And another one with a comprehension deficit. 🙄 |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 11, 2024 18:06:02 GMT
You put it forward as a possibility in other words, whose likelihood is laughably tiny, but which his cheerleaders love to keep telling themselves. We might share one thing though, a desire to see Bozo back in charge. You because you seem to harbour a belief that he can turn things around. Me in anticipation of the total car crash likely to ensue. It is all hypothetical anyway. But my own opinion is that those who think Bozo is the solution to Tory woes are kidding themselves. Nope, wrong again.
Seriously, Shrieks - stop assuming and start reading. 🙄
You literally suggested that perhaps the reason the Tories were not as popular now as they were in 2019 is because Bozo is no longer their leader. There is next to no evidence in support of such a suggestion being correct but much which makes it unlikely to be, not least the fact that polling showed him to have already lost a lot of his popularity which was increasingly starting to nosedive in the polls by the time they forced him out. Had he at that point still been as popular as he was in 2019 they would never have turned on him when they did. |
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