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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 31, 2024 15:40:41 GMT
"I think we all should be proud of the relatively strong multicultural, multi-ethnic society we've created in this country, much more successfully than most other European countries, and I think that is going to be threatened by the reactions to illegal immigration if it obviously starts to grow again and runs out of control."
So he has not changed then.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 31, 2024 15:59:48 GMT
Clarke! Ha, that toerag should never have been a Tory, indeed he wasn't a Tory. He was a lefty in the Tory party. He once famously said...
..."I look forward to the day when the Westminster Parliament is just a council chamber in Europe"
He should have been prosecuted for such treachery.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 31, 2024 16:05:33 GMT
The man who invented the stealth tax
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Post by witchfinder on Jan 31, 2024 22:38:26 GMT
All industrialised developed nations have citizens who originate from other places, and other parts of the world, its just the nature of things, its how it is.
The Italians brough coffee bars, spaghetti houses and family run ice cream businesses, the Caribbeans brought us Reggae, Jerk Chicken and brightened up boring, traditional British Christian worship with their Gospel.
I prefer the Multi Cultural way, as opposed to the American Melting Pot way, and I have no problem with the many different cultures that thrive here. To me, it makes life more interesting, and if we never had any immigrants through history, what would we have ?, boiled beef and cabbage.
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Post by wapentake on Jan 31, 2024 23:15:38 GMT
All industrialised developed nations have citizens who originate from other places, and other parts of the world, its just the nature of things, its how it is. The Italians brough coffee bars, spaghetti houses and family run ice cream businesses, the Caribbeans brought us Reggae, Jerk Chicken and brightened up boring, traditional British Christian worship with their Gospel. I prefer the Multi Cultural way, as opposed to the American Melting Pot way, and I have no problem with the many different cultures that thrive here. To me, it makes life more interesting, and if we never had any immigrants through history, what would we have ?, boiled beef and cabbage. There is absolutely no problem that people have come here and brought different cultures to our land which in ways brought differences that were a plus,the problem we are facing is an invasion of such numbers that already threaten to compromise our way of life,laws and social mores.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2024 0:03:52 GMT
Clarke! Ha, that toerag should never have been a Tory, indeed he wasn't a Tory. He was a lefty in the Tory party. He once famously said... ..."I look forward to the day when the Westminster Parliament is just a council chamber in Europe"He should have been prosecuted for such treachery. Whereas you should be awarded for such comedy. I knew he was a Tory when he whacked VAT on fuel bills.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 1, 2024 0:23:05 GMT
Clarke! Ha, that toerag should never have been a Tory, indeed he wasn't a Tory. He was a lefty in the Tory party. He once famously said... ..."I look forward to the day when the Westminster Parliament is just a council chamber in Europe"He should have been prosecuted for such treachery. Whereas you should be awarded for such comedy. I knew he was a Tory when he whacked VAT on fuel bills. Indeed, he did. But I have to ask, did Labour scrap it?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2024 0:31:52 GMT
All industrialised developed nations have citizens who originate from other places, and other parts of the world, its just the nature of things, its how it is. The Italians brough coffee bars, spaghetti houses and family run ice cream businesses, the Caribbeans brought us Reggae, Jerk Chicken and brightened up boring, traditional British Christian worship with their Gospel. I prefer the Multi Cultural way, as opposed to the American Melting Pot way, and I have no problem with the many different cultures that thrive here. To me, it makes life more interesting, and if we never had any immigrants through history, what would we have ?, boiled beef and cabbage. There is absolutely no problem that people have come here and brought different cultures to our land which in ways brought differences that were a plus,the problem we are facing is an invasion of such numbers that already threaten to compromise our way of life,laws and social mores. The fact is that life, laws and social mores change anyway. Our way of life never stays the same. For example, most of us dont go to church anymore but that has bugger all to do with immigrants who are more likely to go than we are, lol At one time we all believed that men should be tough and show no emotion, stiff upper lip and all that jazz. And we had the wife beatings and suicide rates to prove it. At one time it was considered normal for sadist teachers to beat children with bamboo canes, and the fact that so many say it never did them any harm by way of advocating it again is itself proof of the harm it did them. Once upon a time we were riven by class divides, now it is more often age that divides us. Few of our society's deepest changes were wrought by immigrants, unless you include the Romans and Anglo-saxons, and maybe the Danes and Normans. But they all came as conquerors rather than immigrants. Undoubtedly conquerors bring great changes especially in terms of language and political organisation and institutions. Immigrants tend to bring smaller cultural changes which mostly enrich our culture, as for example the Chinese and Indian restaurants and the fact that curry is now one of our favourite national dishes. The issue is not really one of cultural diversity but too many coming here in terms of numbers, and not enough houses or schools or GP surgeries being built for them all. But ask yourself who benefits from that and you begin to address the problem. Who for example benefits from soaring housing costs resulting from too many people coming here and not enough houses being built? And who benefits from the supply of cheap labour? I will give you a clue. It is not the immigrants themselves nor most of the struggling millions born here. It is the owners of property assets and the owners of businesses who are benefiting from it all, the same people who own our media and have our politicians in their pockets. We will not even begin to solve the problem of too many coming here until we recognise who the beneficiaries are and take measures to stop them benefitting. Until then we will only get gimmicks like this Rwanda rubbish. You couldnt get a more obvious gimmick if you placed it in the middle of Trafalgar Square with a massive neon sign saying "Gimmick". But as long as they can keep the sheeple satisfied with such gimmicks, they can keep raking it in whilst we get angry at a bunch of poor saps even worse off and more powerless than we are.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2024 0:33:41 GMT
Whereas you should be awarded for such comedy. I knew he was a Tory when he whacked VAT on fuel bills. Indeed, he did. But I have to ask, did Labour scrap it? Labour immediately reduced it to the lowest level permissable under EU law. It could not be scrapped until we were no longer bound by such laws. Have the Tories scrapped it now?
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Post by wapentake on Feb 1, 2024 0:42:39 GMT
There is absolutely no problem that people have come here and brought different cultures to our land which in ways brought differences that were a plus,the problem we are facing is an invasion of such numbers that already threaten to compromise our way of life,laws and social mores. The fact is that life, laws and social mores change anyway. Our way of life never stays the same. For example, most of us dont go to church anymore but that has bugger all to do with immigrants who are more likely to go than we are, lol At one time we all believed that men should be tough and show no emotion, stiff upper lip and all that jazz. And we had the wife beatings and suicide rates to prove it. At one time it was considered normal for sadist teachers to beat children with bamboo canes, and the fact that so many say it never did them any harm by way of advocating it again is itself proof of the harm it did them. Once upon a time we were riven by class divides, now it is more often age that divides us. Few of our society's deepest changes were wrought by immigrants, unless you include the Romans and Anglo-saxons, and maybe the Danes and Normans. But they all came as conquerors rather than immigrants. Undoubtedly conquerors bring great changes especially in terms of language and political organisation and institutions. Immigrants tend to bring smaller cultural changes which mostly enrich our culture, as for example the Chinese and Indian restaurants and the fact that curry is now one of our favourite national dishes. The issue is not really one of cultural diversity but too many coming here in terms of numbers, and not enough houses or schools or GP surgeries being built for them all. But ask yourself who benefits from that and you begin to address the problem. Who for example benefits from soaring housing costs resulting from too many people coming here and not enough houses being built? And who benefits from the supply of cheap labour? I will give you a clue. It is not the immigrants themselves nor most of the struggling millions born here. It is the owners of property assets and the owners of businesses who are benefiting from it all, the same people who own our media and have our politicians in their pockets. We will not even begin to solve the problem of too many coming here until we recognise who the beneficiaries are and take measures to stop them benefitting. Until then we will only get gimmicks like this Rwanda rubbish. You couldnt get a more obvious gimmick if you placed it in the middle of Trafalgar Square with a massive neon sign saying "Gimmick". But as long as they can keep the sheeple satisfied with such gimmicks, they can keep raking it in whilst we get angry at a bunch of poor saps even worse off and more powerless than we are. Oh come on Steve keeping the sheeple satisfied,are you having a laugh? Who proposed things shouldn’t change of course they do but the level of threat to the normal way of life in this country comes primarily from the Muslim religion.
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Post by Red Rackham on Feb 1, 2024 0:51:03 GMT
Indeed, he did. But I have to ask, did Labour scrap it? Labour immediately reduced it to the lowest level permissable under EU law. It could not be scrapped until we were no longer bound by such laws. Have the Tories scrapped it now? Ahh yes, the British government were not allowed to reduce VAT in the UK, because we were governed from Brussels. You must be very proud.
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Post by johnofgwent on Feb 1, 2024 7:05:37 GMT
All industrialised developed nations have citizens who originate from other places, and other parts of the world, its just the nature of things, its how it is. The Italians brough coffee bars, spaghetti houses and family run ice cream businesses, the Caribbeans brought us Reggae, Jerk Chicken and brightened up boring, traditional British Christian worship with their Gospel. I prefer the Multi Cultural way, as opposed to the American Melting Pot way, and I have no problem with the many different cultures that thrive here. To me, it makes life more interesting, and if we never had any immigrants through history, what would we have ?, boiled beef and cabbage. The italians were of course mostly internees or prisoners of war who declined to go back home. Winston Churchill refers to them in the page of his speech that immediately FOLLOWS his bit about fighting on the beaches … South Wales was awash with hairdressers and Coffee bars as a result.
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Post by steppenwolf on Feb 1, 2024 8:02:39 GMT
Multiculturalism is fine provided immigrants agree to abide by OUR laws. Unfortunately there are some cultures that bring their own laws with them and try to live by these laws rather than our own. The most obvious example, of course, is the muslims who want to introduce sharia law. This makes blasphemy illegal (if it's against Islam anyway) and introduces sharia courts who practise an alternative form of marriage (that give women no rights) and gives judgements on various crimes.
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Post by piglet on Feb 1, 2024 10:53:05 GMT
I am a first generation immigrant, my parents were from Beloruss and Italy, i am more british than the British. When here, all immigrants must adopt british values, they are excellent maybe to good. Or as Thatcher said to Benn when he was praising Russia, then fek off over there, i would have added you count, but there you go.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 1, 2024 11:10:19 GMT
All industrialised developed nations have citizens who originate from other places, and other parts of the world, its just the nature of things, its how it is. The Italians brough coffee bars, spaghetti houses and family run ice cream businesses, the Caribbeans brought us Reggae, Jerk Chicken and brightened up boring, traditional British Christian worship with their Gospel. I prefer the Multi Cultural way, as opposed to the American Melting Pot way, and I have no problem with the many different cultures that thrive here. To me, it makes life more interesting, and if we never had any immigrants through history, what would we have ?, boiled beef and cabbage. But we've got the recipes now, so why do they need to stay?
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