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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 1, 2024 15:27:25 GMT
I suppose that promoters of the British multicultural state will just have to console themselves with the thought that states that have chosen the 'opposing path', i.e. that of 'integrationism' - I'm thinking here of countries like France, Germany and the USA - as the best way of managing the challenges of a multiracial society have not enjoyed noticeably better outcomes either.
Perhaps there is no optimal solution.
Japan seems to be doing OK. Do what? Japan actively rejects any form of "Diversity". |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 1, 2024 15:30:25 GMT
Japan seems to be doing OK. Do what? Japan actively rejects any form of "Diversity". kerching!!!  |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 1, 2024 15:34:41 GMT
That would certainly be the French view. The Americans too. For them immigrants are New Americans in training.
The notion that immigrants should be encouraged to retain and express their own culture alongside a rather nebulous set of 'British values' is a very curious one which exists nowhere else. Except Canada I'm told, where it came into existence as a way of heading off Quebec separatism and has been rather casually extended to the tsunami of non-European immigration since the Trudeau days..
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Post by wapentake on Feb 1, 2024 15:35:39 GMT
I suppose that promoters of the British multicultural state will just have to console themselves with the thought that states that have chosen the 'opposing path', i.e. that of 'integrationism' - I'm thinking here of countries like France, Germany and the USA - as the best way of managing the challenges of a multiracial society have not enjoyed noticeably better outcomes either.
Perhaps there is no optimal solution.
Could there be some other factor at play here?
I notice that the countries you cite were, until recently (like the UK), entirely dominated by white European culture or, perhaps more accurately, cultures that were frequently at war with each other.
Perhaps shifting the culture wars to focus more on perceived melanin-accompanying traits allows all sides to hack lumps out of each other...
Pat your wife is scandinavian is she not? Can you explain why what were the most liberal of democracies are turning their back on it all in scandinavia? do you think they all suddenly became right wing racists or is they have become that way through experience,a bad one?
This country has welcomed and absorbed various waves of immigrants,the numbers coming now are too much and be honest its not only white people in this country alarmed.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2024 15:42:00 GMT
I have no idea how to apply the word pride or proud to cultural genocide for a micromanaged criminal cesspit.
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 1, 2024 15:55:00 GMT
LOL... Clarke is President of the Conservative Europe Group, Co-President of the pro-EU body British Influence and Vice-President of the European Movement UK. Described by the press as a 'Big Beast' of British politics. ** Need I say more ^^ Clarke, like Heseltine, has always been a blithering old fool best ignored. Clarke spends far too much time in the subsidised bars, that's why he's always puddled. |
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Post by patman post on Feb 1, 2024 16:01:29 GMT
Could there be some other factor at play here?
I notice that the countries you cite were, until recently (like the UK), entirely dominated by white European culture or, perhaps more accurately, cultures that were frequently at war with each other.
Perhaps shifting the culture wars to focus more on perceived melanin-accompanying traits allows all sides to hack lumps out of each other...
Pat your wife is scandinavian is she not? Can you explain why what were the most liberal of democracies are turning their back on it all in scandinavia? do you think they all suddenly became right wing racists or is they have become that way through experience,a bad one?
This country has welcomed and absorbed various waves of immigrants,the numbers coming now are too much and be honest its not only white people in this country alarmed.
Mrs is Norwegian. So is Anders Breivik. By marrying me, Mrs P shows there can be huge differences in outlook between people even of the same ethnicity and nationality.
Sweden is the only Nordic country to have a population of over 10 million — Denmark, Finland, and Norway all have between five and six million inhabitants. A thousand immigrants in any one of those countries is a strain.
But my post you quoted was in reply to — in my opinion — one of the most erudite and polite displayers of White supremacist views on this forum.
And, in my defence, I have never advocated wholesale immigration into the UK. In fact, I was disappointed in Cameron's inability to reduce both EU and non-EU immigration. As reducing immigration was a primary selling point of Brexit, my disappointment is compounded by the fact that Leavers still don't realise they were sold a pup...
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 1, 2024 16:18:17 GMT
...As reducing immigration was a primary selling point of Brexit, my disappointment is compounded by the fact that Leavers still don't realise they were sold a pup... Well not entirely, Pat. You see, immigration is now a choice whereas pre-Brexit it was a requirement. And governments that do not heed the wishes of their electorate can now be voted out. That was the primary selling point of Brexit. |
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Post by Bentley on Feb 1, 2024 16:25:02 GMT
...As reducing immigration was a primary selling point of Brexit, my disappointment is compounded by the fact that Leavers still don't realise they were sold a pup... Well not entirely, Pat. You see, immigration is now a choice whereas pre-Brexit it was a requirement. And governments that do not heed the wishes of their electorate can now be voted out. That was the primary selling point of Brexit. And no matter how many times that is pointed out , it will be ignored by the ex remainers . |
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Post by patman post on Feb 1, 2024 16:40:43 GMT
...As reducing immigration was a primary selling point of Brexit, my disappointment is compounded by the fact that Leavers still don't realise they were sold a pup... Well not entirely, Pat. You see, immigration is now a choice whereas pre-Brexit it was a requirement. And governments that do not heed the wishes of their electorate can now be voted out. That was the primary selling point of Brexit. Non-EU immigration was a choice, and it accounted for at least as much immigration as EU immigration until 2013.
Then EU immigration increased as Romanian and Bulgarian citizens were able to access the UK labour market in 2014.
Admittedly, EU immigration began to fall after 2016. But non-EU immigration remained approx level until it shot up from 2020 to the levels the UK has today even though people voted to take back control of the UK's borders...
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Post by jonksy on Feb 1, 2024 16:45:03 GMT
Clarke, like Heseltine, has always been a blithering old fool best ignored. Clarke spends far too much time in the subsidised bars, that's why he's always puddled. He was always a pisshead mate. I remember one year he was critised over increasing the price of booze all apart from whisky which was his own favourite tipple. Both he and hestletyne should have been put out to grass years ago. The drunken old farts. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 1, 2024 16:49:24 GMT
Clarke spends far too much time in the subsidised bars, that's why he's always puddled. He was always a pisshead mate. I remember one year he was critised over increasing the price of booze all apart from whisky which was his own favourite tipple. Both he and hestletyne should have been put out to grass years ago. The drunken old farts. silly old cnut always sounds pissed, all he's interested in is dragging the UK back in to the EU, fuckin old codger, another backstabbing remoaner trying to sabotage Brexit. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 1, 2024 16:53:26 GMT
...As reducing immigration was a primary selling point of Brexit, my disappointment is compounded by the fact that Leavers still don't realise they were sold a pup... Well not entirely, Pat. You see, immigration is now a choice whereas pre-Brexit it was a requirement. And governments that do not heed the wishes of their electorate can now be voted out. That was the primary selling point of Brexit. I'm still gobsmacked that we are 7 years after the vote, and some people still do understand what the vote was about.. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 1, 2024 16:56:12 GMT
Well not entirely, Pat. You see, immigration is now a choice whereas pre-Brexit it was a requirement. And governments that do not heed the wishes of their electorate can now be voted out. That was the primary selling point of Brexit. Non-EU immigration was a choice, and it accounted for at least as much immigration as EU immigration until 2013. Then EU immigration increased as Romanian and Bulgarian citizens were able to access the UK labour market in 2014. Admittedly, EU immigration began to fall after 2016. But non-EU immigration remained approx level until it shot up from 2020 to the levels the UK has today even though people voted to take back control of the UK's borders...
Yes. This government isn't listening. And nor will the next, but they won't have a democratic mandate. Hence less and less people will feel the need to comply. Interesting times ahead. |
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Post by sheepy on Feb 1, 2024 17:56:31 GMT
Strange, I was thinking he would hold his hands up and say we really have fucked up badly and it's the plebs doing the suffering.
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