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Post by Fairsociety on Feb 1, 2024 12:19:24 GMT
LOL...
Clarke is President of the Conservative Europe Group, Co-President of the pro-EU body British Influence and Vice-President of the European Movement UK. Described by the press as a 'Big Beast' of British politics.
** Need I say more ^^
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 1, 2024 12:22:57 GMT
The perception of multiculturalism as the optimal way to organise an advanced modern society is a peculiarly British delusion. It isn't shared by other Europeans, or Americans for that matter.
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Post by patman post on Feb 1, 2024 13:13:09 GMT
The perception of multiculturalism as the optimal way to organise an advanced modern society is a peculiarly British delusion. It isn't shared by other Europeans, or Americans for that matter. I thought the British individual approach to arriving at workable solutions was supposed to be Britain's USP that had evolved over 400 years and helped it to create one of the world's greatest empires, which now allows it to keep its place in the modern world despite its position as a gaggle of islands off the European mainland.
It would be a shame to find out that all Britain gave the world were the basis of an international language and numerous examples of duplicity that guide many discontented factions at war today, and that its positive history to date is all a delusion...
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Post by borchester on Feb 1, 2024 13:20:04 GMT
The perception of multiculturalism as the optimal way to organise an advanced modern society is a peculiarly British delusion. It isn't shared by other Europeans, or Americans for that matter. Successful societies aren't organised, they evolve. Right now the UK is benefiting from the input of numerous cultures and nationalities. There are a few low calorie racists cowering in their mud huts outside the M25 and touching their caps when Squire Lawson appears on the wireless, but they can be safely ignored |
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Post by Orac on Feb 1, 2024 13:24:22 GMT
The inventors of the modern world are benefiting from input drawn from multiple failed cultures. This makes sense.
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Post by Vinny on Feb 1, 2024 13:30:38 GMT
We didn't have VAT until we joined the EEC. The EU whacked VAT on fuel, Clarke followed suit. Yet we still have VAT now..... strange, that
Of the entire shitfest of tories who put themselves up for Boris' job, only Dominic Raab pledged to throw VAT in the shitter, and look how far he got in the contest
That's now the fault of the Tories, not Brexit.
We have the sovereign power to abolish VAT, on fuel, on food, on anything we want.
We also have the sovereign power to abolish tariffs on goods we do not make or grow.
The Tories haven't used it, but that's their fault, not ours for voting leave.
They are not doing their duty.
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 1, 2024 14:13:43 GMT
The perception of multiculturalism as the optimal way to organise an advanced modern society is a peculiarly British delusion. It isn't shared by other Europeans, or Americans for that matter. Successful societies aren't organised, they evolve. Right now the UK is benefiting from the input of numerous cultures and nationalities. There are a few low calorie racists cowering in their mud huts outside the M25 and touching their caps when Squire Lawson appears on the wireless, but they can be safely ignored Can you point to a few examples? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 1, 2024 14:35:11 GMT
The perception of multiculturalism as the optimal way to organise an advanced modern society is a peculiarly British delusion. It isn't shared by other Europeans, or Americans for that matter. I thought the British individual approach to arriving at workable solutions was supposed to be Britain's USP that had evolved over 400 years and helped it to create one of the world's greatest empires, which now allows it to keep its place in the modern world despite its position as a gaggle of islands off the European mainland.
It would be a shame to find out that all Britain gave the world were the basis of an international language and numerous examples of duplicity that guide many discontented factions at war today, and that its positive history to date is all a delusion...
I suppose that promoters of the British multicultural state will just have to console themselves with the thought that states that have chosen the 'opposing path', i.e. that of 'integrationism' - I'm thinking here of countries like France, Germany and the USA - as the best way of managing the challenges of a multiracial society have not enjoyed noticeably better outcomes either.
Perhaps there is no optimal solution.
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Post by patman post on Feb 1, 2024 14:52:08 GMT
I thought the British individual approach to arriving at workable solutions was supposed to be Britain's USP that had evolved over 400 years and helped it to create one of the world's greatest empires, which now allows it to keep its place in the modern world despite its position as a gaggle of islands off the European mainland.
It would be a shame to find out that all Britain gave the world were the basis of an international language and numerous examples of duplicity that guide many discontented factions at war today, and that its positive history to date is all a delusion...
I suppose that promoters of the British multicultural state will just have to console themselves with the thought that states that have chosen the 'opposing path', i.e. that of 'integrationism' - I'm thinking here of countries like France, Germany and the USA - as the best way of managing the challenges of a multiracial society have not enjoyed noticeably better outcomes either.
Perhaps there is no optimal solution.
Could there be some other factor at play here?
I notice that the countries you cite were, until recently (like the UK), entirely dominated by white European culture or, perhaps more accurately, cultures that were frequently at war with each other.
Perhaps shifting the culture wars to focus more on perceived melanin-accompanying traits allows all sides to hack lumps out of each other...
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 1, 2024 15:07:02 GMT
Is the theory that there is an underlying latent aggression against outsiders in Western European culture that has had no outlet since 1945, so it is being directed towards those of non-European ancestry instead? That's an interesting theory and could explain why neither multiculturalism nor integration have been successful.
But then how do we explain the ongoing persistence of racial conflict in non-Western countries?
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Post by wapentake on Feb 1, 2024 15:08:51 GMT
Oh come on Steve keeping the sheeple satisfied,are you having a laugh? Who proposed things shouldn’t change of course they do but the level of threat to the normal way of life in this country comes primarily from the Muslim religion.
If you believe that muslims are coming here in such numbers that they will soon swamp us, you are signing in to far right propaganda.Like all immigrants coming before them they are likely as the generations go by to become an integral part of the dominant culture, and more and more of them will become much more secular or keep their religious beliefs a purely personal affair as most Christians here today do. If this turns out not to be true we can worry about it later. Muslim numbers are never going to be anything more than a minority in the lives of everyone living today, for sure. In spite of far right lies to the contrary. One thing we can and should do and which I have long advocated for breaking down the barriers of religious divides and religious indoctrination, is to ban all faith based schools. No catholic schools. No Church of England schools. No Jewish schools, No Buddhist schools. No Hindu or Sikh schools. And of course no Muslim schools. Instead entirely secular schools which teach all their kids about all religions without proselytising on behalf of any one of them. Any fervent believer of any religion who cannot accept this should fuck off to a country that will accommodate them. Religious indoctrination from a young age is a divisive thing that can stop us all rubbing along peacefully, from forming part of the dominant culture and from espousing increasingly secular values. Perhaps if we enforced secular education for all children here, those muslims bringing their families here but still wishing to indoctrinate their kids would see us as a less attractive option. This would do far more to deter fanatical muslims from coming here with their kids than any stupid gimmick like the Rwanda policy. What I’m saying is that people are just arriving from god knows where and being housed and fed given money ahead of people already here. Funnily enough talking to someone today who works for a homeless charity and is trying to help an aged (70’s) veteran living on the streets in this weather. I’m not signing in to anybody’s propaganda if anything the abysmal failure of a working immigration policy and people shouting bigot and racist is the one facilitating the hard right and turning normally welcoming middle of the road people who feel their communities being changed beyond recognition. Shout racist if you like but I know more than a few from the Caribbean and Indian sub continent who have been here a long time and are just as bothered as the rest. Also we have very recently had a sizeable influx from Hong Kong who made it their business to introduce themselves in to the locale and have done so successfully,how? by showing they want to be part of it. Cry it’s the daily mail all you like link but you can’t escape this is not an isolated case and in the last few years a girl in my part of the world was murdered by her parents in an honour? killing and that’s not isolated either. |
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Post by Pacifico on Feb 1, 2024 15:13:58 GMT
I thought the British individual approach to arriving at workable solutions was supposed to be Britain's USP that had evolved over 400 years and helped it to create one of the world's greatest empires, which now allows it to keep its place in the modern world despite its position as a gaggle of islands off the European mainland.
It would be a shame to find out that all Britain gave the world were the basis of an international language and numerous examples of duplicity that guide many discontented factions at war today, and that its positive history to date is all a delusion...
I suppose that promoters of the British multicultural state will just have to console themselves with the thought that states that have chosen the 'opposing path', i.e. that of 'integrationism' - I'm thinking here of countries like France, Germany and the USA - as the best way of managing the challenges of a multiracial society have not enjoyed noticeably better outcomes either.
Perhaps there is no optimal solution.
Japan seems to be doing OK. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Feb 1, 2024 15:20:04 GMT
But Japan is very far away from being a multiracial society.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 1, 2024 15:25:16 GMT
LOL... Clarke is President of the Conservative Europe Group, Co-President of the pro-EU body British Influence and Vice-President of the European Movement UK. Described by the press as a 'Big Beast' of British politics. ** Need I say more ^^ Clarke, like Heseltine, has always been a blithering old fool best ignored. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Feb 1, 2024 15:26:25 GMT
The perception of multiculturalism as the optimal way to organise an advanced modern society is a peculiarly British delusion. It isn't shared by other Europeans, or Americans for that matter. Probably because it's an oxymoron: You either have a multiculture or a society.
They are opposites.
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