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Post by see2 on Jan 23, 2024 11:02:42 GMT
Of course its not only the UK - Net Zero policies are devastating industrial production across the EU. Indeed, which is why BASF the biggest chemical company in the world are moving operations from Europe to China. CEO Martin Brudemuller cited high [Green] energy costs in Europe. Is he claiming he runs his business on green energy? I doubt it, but I can imagine production costs are cheaper in China.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 26, 2024 8:15:39 GMT
On the bright side Wales has wiped 15% off its carbon emissions in one go. True, there will be 2800 job losses, and it won’t reduce global emissions – in fact, it will probably increase them. But who cares when you have a legally-binding target of net zero to reach by 2050? Where Wales leads the rest of the UK will follow.. a future of poverty and destitution..
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 26, 2024 10:16:37 GMT
On the bright side Wales has wiped 15% off its carbon emissions in one go. True, there will be 2800 job losses, and it won’t reduce global emissions – in fact, it will probably increase them. But who cares when you have a legally-binding target of net zero to reach by 2050? Where Wales leads the rest of the UK will follow.. a future of poverty and destitution.. i can hear the twenty’s plenty twat celebrating this already. ‘And all it took to achieve our target was to out one tenth of one per cent on the dole as maggie did’
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Post by see2 on Jan 26, 2024 19:42:55 GMT
On the bright side Wales has wiped 15% off its carbon emissions in one go. True, there will be 2800 job losses, and it won’t reduce global emissions – in fact, it will probably increase them. But who cares when you have a legally-binding target of net zero to reach by 2050? Where Wales leads the rest of the UK will follow.. a future of poverty and destitution.. Your own personal Project Fear IMO there is no possible way that any UK government could/would be allowed to destroy the UK economy in order to meet Net Zero by 2050. But I hope you enjoy your own personal created nasty goblin nightmares over this.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 26, 2024 21:58:06 GMT
I now hear Tata wanted to shut it down five years ago, but the government gave then some cash to keep going until about now. The reason they wanted it shut five years ago was it was losing money. The unions forced the whole thing to keep going without job losses, but it was rather ridiculous considering the high levels of employment are only because it is old technology. You just can not run a business which loses money. The unions are helping to destroy industry because who would want to invest in new plants if they are forced to operate at a loss so it employs more unionists.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 26, 2024 22:11:49 GMT
On the bright side Wales has wiped 15% off its carbon emissions in one go. True, there will be 2800 job losses, and it won’t reduce global emissions – in fact, it will probably increase them. But who cares when you have a legally-binding target of net zero to reach by 2050? Where Wales leads the rest of the UK will follow.. a future of poverty and destitution.. Your own personal Project Fear IMO there is no possible way that any UK government could/would be allowed to destroy the UK economy in order to meet Net Zero by 2050. But I hope you enjoy your own personal created nasty goblin nightmares over this. It's already happening bit by bit. The windfall taxes on North Sea Oil are driving shutdowns and job losses in that sector, large energy users like steel and fertilizers are closing due to excessive pricing, it's highly likely that we will see more car factories closing due to the switch to EV's, etc etc You didn't think that leading the world at CO2 reduction was going to be painless?
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Jan 26, 2024 22:55:05 GMT
Your own personal Project Fear IMO there is no possible way that any UK government could/would be allowed to destroy the UK economy in order to meet Net Zero by 2050. But I hope you enjoy your own personal created nasty goblin nightmares over this. It's already happening bit by bit. The windfall taxes on North Sea Oil are driving shutdowns and job losses in that sector, large energy users like steel and fertilizers are closing due to excessive pricing, it's highly likely that we will see more car factories closing due to the switch to EV's, etc etc You didn't think that leading the world at CO2 reduction was going to be painless? It's not even a CO2 problem. The thing was our nuclear power was wiped out when North Sea gas came in and gas turbine generation was the cheapest source of electricity. It now stands that on shore wind is the cheapest for us. We have some of the windiest places in the world. So we have this issue where we need to balance the supply and demand. Where we find we have times the wind is generating more than we need we can heat up the furnaces in industry. If we still have excess we can dump the energy into hydrogen production. The added advantage is the more we can cope with energy through renewable sources the less reliant we are on obtaining supplies. Such stability helps the overall economy, since no one wants to set up in industry with an unreliable energy supply. Also wind generation is a bit like cargo ships. The bigger we build them the more efficient they become. This is not so for combustion because you have a physical limit on efficiency.
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Post by see2 on Jan 27, 2024 0:01:04 GMT
Your own personal Project Fear IMO there is no possible way that any UK government could/would be allowed to destroy the UK economy in order to meet Net Zero by 2050. But I hope you enjoy your own personal created nasty goblin nightmares over this. It's already happening bit by bit. The windfall taxes on North Sea Oil are driving shutdowns and job losses in that sector, large energy users like steel and fertilizers are closing due to excessive pricing, it's highly likely that we will see more car factories closing due to the switch to EV's, etc etc You didn't think that leading the world at CO2 reduction was going to be painless? I think you are being deliberately pessimistic. Changes will happen regardless of net Zero but you will collect the negatives and blame them on NZ. Windfall taxes were made because of very high profits created by circumstances, made by the oil companies, at a cost to the users.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 27, 2024 7:47:25 GMT
It's already happening bit by bit. The windfall taxes on North Sea Oil are driving shutdowns and job losses in that sector, large energy users like steel and fertilizers are closing due to excessive pricing, it's highly likely that we will see more car factories closing due to the switch to EV's, etc etc You didn't think that leading the world at CO2 reduction was going to be painless? I think you are being deliberately pessimistic. Changes will happen regardless of net Zero but you will collect the negatives and blame them on NZ. Windfall taxes were made because of very high profits created by circumstances, made by the oil companies, at a cost to the users. Well it has certainly been a cost to those employed - the estimate is that by 2030 60,000 well paid jobs in Oil & Gas extraction will be lost. Aberdeen is already seeing their local economy go into recession. In the car industry Stallantis are already talking about closing factories and we have already seen the jobs decimated in the Steel sector. It's not going to be pretty..... meanwhile China will be laughing all the way to the bank..
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