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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 12, 2024 16:02:46 GMT
Another aspect to this seems to be POs enforcers to get PO staff to plead guilty, if true that sounds like intimidation and raises the spectre of criminal investigation against the PO and enforcers. This may run for some time. Neither Labour or Tories can do well on this it is more about limiting political damage. Another point, if all this money went missing involving over 700 staff, surely they froze bank accounts and checked them for the stolen cash?
I think one was for £40,000, the first thing you would do was follow the paper trail to bank accounts, so once they scrutinised the 700+ suspects and couldn't trace any paper trail of the stolen loot why was this never brought up, if I'd have been accused of stealing £40,000 I would demand MY legal team demand to have proof by way of bank accounts or other proof I had that money in my account or family member accounts.
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Post by wapentake on Jan 12, 2024 16:04:22 GMT
Another aspect to this seems to be POs enforcers to get PO staff to plead guilty, if true that sounds like intimidation and raises the spectre of criminal investigation against the PO and enforcers. This may run for some time. Neither Labour or Tories can do well on this it is more about limiting political damage. Or the Lib Dem’s and Ed Davey who has a memory lapse or other get out clauses at the ready,the whole thing stinks. |
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Post by bancroft on Jan 12, 2024 16:12:12 GMT
Another aspect to this seems to be POs enforcers to get PO staff to plead guilty, if true that sounds like intimidation and raises the spectre of criminal investigation against the PO and enforcers. This may run for some time. Neither Labour or Tories can do well on this it is more about limiting political damage. Another point, if all this money went missing involving over 700 staff, surely they froze bank accounts and checked them for the stolen cash?
I think one was for £40,000, the first thing you would do was follow the paper trail to bank accounts, so once they scrutinised the 700+ suspects and couldn't trace any paper trail of the stolen loot why was this never brought up, if I'd have been accused of stealing £40,000 I would demand MY legal team demand to have proof by way of bank accounts or other proof I had that money in my account or family member accounts.
Enquiries rarely get near the nuts and bolts, having worked for banks you have to have audit trails, and the PO should have them too now whether PO masters had access to view them is a different matter. Ideally they would. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 12, 2024 18:04:15 GMT
Another aspect to this seems to be POs enforcers to get PO staff to plead guilty, if true that sounds like intimidation and raises the spectre of criminal investigation against the PO and enforcers. This may run for some time. Neither Labour or Tories can do well on this it is more about limiting political damage. Or the Lib Dem’s and Ed Davey who has a memory lapse or other get out clauses at the ready,the whole thing stinks. He really is appalling... |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 12, 2024 18:14:27 GMT
Or the Lib Dem’s and Ed Davey who has a memory lapse or other get out clauses at the ready,the whole thing stinks. He really is appalling... Ed Davey is 'the poster boy' ... for the most far left liberal snowflake, virtue signalling, woke, diverse figure head we will ever have the misfortune to be head of a political UK party, namely the Lib-Dems.
Thankfully, if any good has come out of this absolute travesty of justice, that the likes of self-righteous Ed Davey and his 'liberalism' has now been exposed for EXACTLY what he/it STANDS FOR. ..... Double standard, hypocritical low life, self serving, self absorbed, preaching tyrants.
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 12, 2024 18:37:17 GMT
Another aspect to this seems to be POs enforcers to get PO staff to plead guilty, if true that sounds like intimidation and raises the spectre of criminal investigation against the PO and enforcers. This may run for some time. Neither Labour or Tories can do well on this it is more about limiting political damage. Another point, if all this money went missing involving over 700 staff, surely they froze bank accounts and checked them for the stolen cash?
I think one was for £40,000, the first thing you would do was follow the paper trail to bank accounts, so once they scrutinised the 700+ suspects and couldn't trace any paper trail of the stolen loot why was this never brought up, if I'd have been accused of stealing £40,000 I would demand MY legal team demand to have proof by way of bank accounts or other proof I had that money in my account or family member accounts.
Not possible (speaking as someone who has worked with the people who actually DO this) Most of these were PRIVATE prosecutions and without the POLICE obtaining a court order to freeze the assets of the person in question it isn't going to happen Of course, any accounting professional or forensic acountant of the sort the Post Office might have on theor staff would know this, and my suspicions are that they would have avoided allowing the CPS to take over and conduct such a prosecution (and thereby acquire the power to determine the postmasters were not squirrelling away the proceeds of the supposed ill goten gains)
As i pointed out more than once, shortly after Blair came to power he had a little chat with the Hinjoojah Brothers and a number of other primarily indian software house owners all of whom, along with EDS, asked him to try to destroy the small to medium sector software engineering sector so as to clear the way for them to take control (as reported in the times editorial of June 1999). A number of political donations from these organisations were made at about this time.
Siemens of course were also the wankers behind the 1999 passport office debacle and the christ knows how much wasted on the identity cards we thank god threw brown onto the street before he could impose upon us
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Post by wapentake on Jan 12, 2024 19:06:31 GMT
You can’t escape the fact hat anytime the govt or one of its agencies as the post office in this case introduce software solutions it invariably ends in failure,and in this case it failed many innocent people.
why the justice system views computers on the same level as the pope only they know.
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Post by patman post on Jan 12, 2024 20:42:06 GMT
Doing the same as Ed Davey and seeing there was no useful purpose. I have to say they are not alone,what this illustrates is the shortcomings in our political and legal system where mediocrity to the point of dereliction of their duty and even criminality is rewarded with honours and massive bonuses and propelled to greater heights. None of the parties come out of this with much credit but individuals certainly have excelled Lord Arbuthnot for one,iirc Bentley posted that he hoped Vennells wouldn’t be thrown under the bus,she does have a lot to answer for but she isn’t alone and it’s not confined to the post office itself. There will be an election later this year,buggered if I know who to vote for but the horizon is bleak if you’ll forgive the pun but I expect this will soon be forgotten but I hope not or this country can only go further down the plug hole. Vennells was one of many who colluded and one of even more that ignored . Why should she be thrown under the bus to appease the mob and allow others to get away with it . Let’s face it , we only have a few months until the public tire of the story and the outrage wanes . Totally agree — though hopefully, enough of the public have been activated to ensure this story doesn’t fade from view. At this time, the focus should be on getting immediate compensation into the hands of the victims. Concentrating on apportioning blame must follow and, where criminal activity and cover-up are found, it should be exposed no matter who the personalities are… |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 13, 2024 7:43:31 GMT
Blair was warned about ‘flawed’ Horizon system, document reveals.....
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Post by ginnyg2 on Jan 13, 2024 9:25:46 GMT
Meanwhile at the Post Office it's business as usual and trebles all round: www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67964064Executive pay
While the Post Office appears to have deducted compensation provisions from their taxable profits, it apparently ignored them when it came to calculating executive pay. The largest determinant of bosses' pay is a measure the Post Office calls "trading profit", which excludes the money set aside to compensate scandal victims, thereby increasing the pay of executives. Chief executive Nick Read received a salary of £436,000 in the year ended 2022, plus a bonus of £137,000, as the Post Office was deemed to have recorded an above target trading profit if compensation provisions were ignored.Mr Neidle said: "Bonuses have been paid to the executive team based on an apparent level of profitability which does not exist. If a public company missed an obvious tax point that made the business insolvent the shareholders would be demanding the CFO and CEOs head on a platter". |
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Post by johnofgwent on Jan 14, 2024 10:57:04 GMT
Perhaps Blair gave them one of his many shredders John. This is what's bugging me, given the fact that both Blair and Starmer (LABOUR) can be linked to this Post Office scandal Sunak is not doing what Labour would do if it was the other way round.
Labour would be milking this for all it was worth if they could have linked a Tory Prime Minister and a Tory DPP to this scandal, we would never hear the last of it, both big gob Rayner and Starmer would be demanding everyone resign, report them to the police blah blah blah.
What does Sunak do, he waits till 2025 after a inquiry that will clearly blame the CPS/DPP and Labour, by which time it's too late because Starmer will be Prime Minister and a Labour government, Sunak should be demanding this information be released NOW, he should be demanding names, dates, places, departments, instead he wants to pay them off quickly and let Labour off the hook, he hasn't once mentioned Labour or Starmer or Blair. I'm telling you Sunak is a lefty and he wants them in power.
maybe his wife doesn’t like the idea of government willingness to shine a forensic auditor’s torch on the antics of foreign software houses awarded government contracts … |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 14, 2024 11:00:04 GMT
This is what's bugging me, given the fact that both Blair and Starmer (LABOUR) can be linked to this Post Office scandal Sunak is not doing what Labour would do if it was the other way round.
Labour would be milking this for all it was worth if they could have linked a Tory Prime Minister and a Tory DPP to this scandal, we would never hear the last of it, both big gob Rayner and Starmer would be demanding everyone resign, report them to the police blah blah blah.
What does Sunak do, he waits till 2025 after a inquiry that will clearly blame the CPS/DPP and Labour, by which time it's too late because Starmer will be Prime Minister and a Labour government, Sunak should be demanding this information be released NOW, he should be demanding names, dates, places, departments, instead he wants to pay them off quickly and let Labour off the hook, he hasn't once mentioned Labour or Starmer or Blair. I'm telling you Sunak is a lefty and he wants them in power.
maybe his wife doesn’t like the idea of government willingness to shine a forensic auditor’s torch on the antics of foreign software houses awarded government contracts … Well there is that too. |
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Post by bancroft on Jan 14, 2024 11:40:46 GMT
More coming to light, selected quote During a fractious meeting at Newcastle rugby club in 1999, the note set out a litany of concerns from subpostmasters in the north-east of England who had been piloting the now infamous Horizon accounting system. The issues, including with balancing their accounts, were causing stress and forcing some to work well into the night.Soon after those concerns were raised, subpostmasters gathered again to discuss the potential severity of the problems. “The difficulties and trauma being experienced by some subpostmasters were giving rise to concerns for their health and emotional wellbeing,” the meeting was told.olitical calculation appears to have played a key role in the project even going ahead. Documents submitted to the official inquiry into the scandal show that, in 1998, executives at the Japanese company Fujitsu, which developed the Horizon system, met with the British ambassador to Japan and warned of dire consequences for both the company and Tony Blair’s new government if the project was scrapped. The ambassador said he had been told that the project could not be abandoned because of the potential repercussions.The British embassy’s letter to the government warned that if it were to be scrapped, there would be a devastating impact on UK jobs as well as a potential knock-on effect for bilateral relations. The Horizon software was thereafter rapidly rolled out to thousands of branches.uk.yahoo.com/news/tragedy-not-far-away-25-070021630.html |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 15, 2024 7:22:59 GMT
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 15, 2024 7:26:20 GMT
He really is appalling... Ed Davey is 'the poster boy' ... for the most far left liberal snowflake, virtue signalling, woke, diverse figure head we will ever have the misfortune to be head of a political UK party, namely the Lib-Dems.
Thankfully, if any good has come out of this absolute travesty of justice, that the likes of self-righteous Ed Davey and his 'liberalism' has now been exposed for EXACTLY what he/it STANDS FOR. ..... Double standard, hypocritical low life, self serving, self absorbed, preaching tyrants.
He was only one in many governments under whose watch this injustice happened and continued. |
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