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Post by sandypine on Nov 28, 2023 10:10:52 GMT
You realise that what you are asking for is all that everyone is asking for and being roundly ignored by many on the left and even worse by the law in some instances. The point about exclusion of the forebears is that that is not how it is currently working and you asking for it on moral grounds is no more than others have been asking on moral grounds and been roundly ignored. Our government apologises in our name, our Monarch apologises in our name and demands are made regularly for reparations to be paid by the British state, to whom is not clear. I am pointing out that unfairness exists in bucketfuls. I don't see how any of that relates to my point. You seem to have gone off on a tangent. People are selected for action against them solely due to the actions of their forebears on a regular basis. I gave the example of seeking reparations for slavery. We are also expected to take many from the Indian sub continent because their forebears fought for the Empire. Selection or discrimination against people because of their forebears is a very common undertaking both here and abroad. I am not saying it is right I am saying it is not unusual and to claim unfairness whilst not acknowledging the unfairness of the same act all around smacks of hypocrisy. Does the phrase 'historical injustices' ring any bells? |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 28, 2023 10:45:20 GMT
And what one would that be? I would say that social engineering the idea that one particular group's descendants don't (can't) have exclusive access to their predecessor's territory, is a form of genocide. Over generations this expectation of lopsided and ongoing sharing will result in this group's territory and numbers getting smaller and smaller until they disappear. So the mere presence of people like me is an act of genocide? Sorry but that's utter nonsense and an insult to genuine victims of genocide. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 28, 2023 10:45:59 GMT
The process has only been underway for a little more than two generations and yet native Britons are already a minority in several major towns and cities, including the nation's capital. 2055 looms. Demographics is Destiny ... ReduxDemographic changes are not genocide, you're being hysterical. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 28, 2023 10:46:31 GMT
It's not that I don't want to, it's just that it doesn't make any logical sense. SP seems to be saying that things have upset him and the government are ignoring him. So why not take it out on them rather than me? Playing dumb again .. No, just not being a drama queen. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 28, 2023 10:59:36 GMT
Well, dehumanising actual humans who only want to protect their interests helps the fanatics to commit to genocide. I would say that social engineering the idea that a particular group's descendants don't (can't) have exclusive access to their predecessor's territory, is a form of genocide. It's not going to be immediate, but it is going to genocide all the same. It will take a handful of generations. How are they being killed? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 28, 2023 11:01:34 GMT
If you are willing to admit some are deserving, then we could try to discuss who and how we deal with it. But until then I will not try again. I have on here stated that 90% plus of those arriving at our shores should be considered to be undeserving economic migrants. You have not stated even one is deserving of help. I am not going to waste my time discussing possible cases when know you only hear Mr Strawman. You claim i'm using a Strawman, but also confirm my position by finding an excuse to refuse to set a limit. In any case, it's not the specific limit i'm interested, nor what I asked for, it's the moral principle you would use to set the limit.My claim to have a reason not to talk is far stronger than yours. What is the point in entering into a negotiation with someone who doesn't accept you have any rights? I haven't refused to set a limit. I have refused to discuss it with you because of your history. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 28, 2023 11:07:28 GMT
I would say that social engineering the idea that a particular group's descendants don't (can't) have exclusive access to their predecessor's territory, is a form of genocide. It's not going to be immediate, but it is going to genocide all the same. It will take a handful of generations. How are they being killed? Not so much being killed as dying off.
The natural consequence of loss of habitat and a birthrate dramatically less than replacement level. It's a commonly observed phenomenon in the natural world, of which we are a part despite protestations to the contrary.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 28, 2023 11:22:44 GMT
The process has only been underway for a little more than two generations and yet native Britons are already a minority in several major towns and cities, including the nation's capital. 2055 looms. Demographics is Destiny ... ReduxDemographic changes are not genocide, you're being hysterical. If concern about the impending usurpation of one's ancestral homeland by unwanted and unwelcome intruders is being hysterical then I plead guilty as charged. |
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 28, 2023 11:27:06 GMT
Demographic changes are not genocide, you're being hysterical. If concern about the impending usurpation of one's ancestral homeland by unwanted and unwelcome intruders is being hysterical then I plead guilty as charged. It's not genocide. I'm not an intruder. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 28, 2023 11:37:01 GMT
I never said you were, but there are many millions who are.
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 28, 2023 11:39:42 GMT
I never said you were, but there are many millions who are. I'm the son of an immigrant, are there good and bad versions of people like me? |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 28, 2023 11:40:34 GMT
Very possibly. In fact most probably. Many are simply unassimilable and many more don't want to assimilate except in a most superficial manner.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 28, 2023 11:43:02 GMT
Getting back to immigration. Last year 26,715 Nigerians were given health and social care visas mainly for minimum wage jobs - that 26,715 brought 45,203 dependents with them.
I'm struggling to see how this is in any way beneficial to the UK.
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Post by happyhornet on Nov 28, 2023 11:47:16 GMT
Very possibly. In fact most probably. Many are simply unassimilable and many more don't want to assimilate except in a most superficial manner. I agree that there are some immigrants who don't integrate and that's half the problem. The other half of the problem is indigenous Brits who exclude and alienate immigrants and their descendants no matter how well integrated they are, examples of which we've seen on this thread. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 28, 2023 11:50:11 GMT
Getting back to immigration. Last year 26,715 Nigerians were given health and social care visas mainly for minimum wage jobs - that 26,715 brought 45,203 dependents with them. I'm struggling to see how this is in any way beneficial to the UK. That's something Brawerman was proposing to fix before she sacked. With an African now running the Home Office I'd say any prospect of a fix is receding into the distance fast. |
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