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Post by Vinny on Nov 20, 2023 19:19:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2023 19:29:18 GMT
Brexit is a side issue here unless it forms part of someones alternate reality. In actual fact the size of our economy, growth rate, inflation rate and trade with our nearest neighbours are all worse than they would otherwise have been without Brexit. Kindly provide evidence to back up this claim. I've seen the ONS statistics. Those statistics do not support your claim. Therefore, your claim is an "alternate reality" isn't it?Admit, even you make mistakes. I make mistakes from time to time, but the ONS trade stats do not lie. Agreed, but I think the purpose of the thread was avoid objective facts and post highly selective nonsense on his terms. Putting the thread to proper use is probably a reportable offence. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 21, 2023 7:26:49 GMT
It's pretty ironic that the person who's complaining about "alternate realities" is claiming that the EU is not trying to do as much damage to the UK's economy as it possibly can, that the Remoaners are not plotting to get us back into the EU and that the muslims are tolerant.  Even if you have little knowledge of the facts and little understanding of economics these things are obvious. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 8:18:47 GMT
It's pretty ironic that the person who's complaining about "alternate realities" is claiming that the EU is not trying to do as much damage to the UK's economy as it possibly can, that the Remoaners are not plotting to get us back into the EU and that the muslims are tolerant. Even if you have little knowledge of the facts and little understanding of economics these things are obvious. Only to a conspiracy theorist. And again you are speaking of the entirety of Muslims as if they are all intolerant. They are not all the same. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 8:19:47 GMT
Kindly provide evidence to back up this claim. I've seen the ONS statistics. Those statistics do not support your claim. Therefore, your claim is an "alternate reality" isn't it?Admit, even you make mistakes. I make mistakes from time to time, but the ONS trade stats do not lie. Agreed, but I think the purpose of the thread was avoid objective facts and post highly selective nonsense on his terms. Putting the thread to proper use is probably a reportable offence. Objective facts, hahaha. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 21, 2023 9:06:57 GMT
It's pretty ironic that the person who's complaining about "alternate realities" is claiming that the EU is not trying to do as much damage to the UK's economy as it possibly can, that the Remoaners are not plotting to get us back into the EU and that the muslims are tolerant. Even if you have little knowledge of the facts and little understanding of economics these things are obvious. Only to a conspiracy theorist. And again you are speaking of the entirety of Muslims as if they are all intolerant. They are not all the same. Nonsense. The EU have obviously done their best to damage our economy - to prevent others leaving the EU. If you can't see that you're wilfully blind. And the Remoaners are obviously conspiring to take us back into the EU - what else would they do? And my comments on muslims are "generalisations". If you're going to say that no one can generalise about any group of people until ALL of them fit that description then you can't really talk about any group of people at all. All these terms like Left and Right become meaningless because each individual member of the group is different to some extent. You're using a generalisation yourself when you dismiss everything you don't agree with as a "conspiracy theory". Science is particularly interested in "patterns" of behaviour - in fact that's what science is. And muslims have very high pattern correlations - especially with regard to terrorism. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 13:03:41 GMT
Only to a conspiracy theorist. And again you are speaking of the entirety of Muslims as if they are all intolerant. They are not all the same. Nonsense. The EU have obviously done their best to damage our economy - to prevent others leaving the EU. If you can't see that you're wilfully blind. And the Remoaners are obviously conspiring to take us back into the EU - what else would they do? And my comments on muslims are "generalisations". If you're going to say that no one can generalise about any group of people until ALL of them fit that description then you can't really talk about any group of people at all. All these terms like Left and Right become meaningless because each individual member of the group is different to some extent. You're using a generalisation yourself when you dismiss everything you don't agree with as a "conspiracy theory". Science is particularly interested in "patterns" of behaviour - in fact that's what science is. And muslims have very high pattern correlations - especially with regard to terrorism. The same conspiracist thinking, No one doubts that there are those who would like us back in the EU, What is in question is the notion that they are involved in any kind of plot to that effect, beyond seeking to persuade as is their democratic right. And the EU has the economic interests of its member states as their top priority, and these interests are not best served by damaging a nearby trading partner. Any damage accruing from Brexit is inherent to Brexit itself and is thus self inflicted. If they were out to harm us as you insist, why would they have cooperated with agreeing a free trade agreement with us, exempting us from most EU tariffs? Your conspiracy theory lacks substance beyond pure supposition of malice. As for your generalisations about Muslims, if you had qualified it with words such as "some" or "many" it might have been true. But by wilfully omitting such qualifications you deliberately seek to imply that all Muslims are bad. If I were to say some right wingers are assholes it would be true. Some left wingers are as well. Also some centrists. But if I were to omit the word "some" and simply say that right wingers are assholes, the obvious implication is that I am calling all right wingers assholes, which of course isnt true. You either need to be more honest about what you mean and openly state that you think all Muslims are intolerant, which is rubbish, or you need to be more careful with the way you use language. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 21, 2023 13:18:05 GMT
We're excepted from all tariffs.
Service companies operate inside the SWIFT banking system.
I'll concede British service companies have been opening EU offices and taking on staff abroad, just as EU service companies have been opening UK offices and taking on staff here. And I mean a LOT of staff.
Things are going rather well.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2023 22:50:44 GMT
We're excepted from all tariffs. Service companies operate inside the SWIFT banking system. I'll concede British service companies have been opening EU offices and taking on staff abroad, just as EU service companies have been opening UK offices and taking on staff here. And I mean a LOT of staff. Things are going rather well. I think you are kidding yourself with the aid of selective statistics. But I have responded to you in the thread concerned. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 22, 2023 0:32:43 GMT
You mean the highest value of exports we've ever sold to the EU.
Nah, not kidding myself at all.
The new FTA is working better than membership ever did.
Our trade with the rest of the world has grown in value too.
Unemployment is down.
GDP is up.
And the trucker shortage is falling.
We've recruited 40,000 drivers over the past year.
We are still short of 60,000 drivers but improved pay and working conditions means we're closing the gap.
Germany are short of 80,000 drivers and matters are getting worse there.
You're kidding yourself if you think Brexit is a failure.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 7:14:18 GMT
Agreed, but I think the purpose of the thread was avoid objective facts and post highly selective nonsense on his terms. Putting the thread to proper use is probably a reportable offence. Objective facts, hahaha. I know, hilarious. Imagine wasting time on a thread that's setup to mindlessly dismiss everyone else's posts as an alternate reality or conspiracy theory, only to see the OP run away when challenged.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 8:11:44 GMT
I know, hilarious. Imagine wasting time on a thread that's setup to mindlessly dismiss everyone else's posts as an alternate reality or conspiracy theory, only to see the OP run away when challenged.
I responded frequently and often to supposed challenges that either themselves proved my point or were otherwise risible. But further discussion was proving to be repetitive, with the same things being said over and over again with none of you bringing anything original to the table. So I got bored and moved on to other threads. But do carry on being the pigeon crapping all over the chessboard thinking that constitutes victory. Gives me something and someone to laugh at, lol. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 8:14:02 GMT
Gives me something and someone to laugh at, lol. Yes, I'm surprised few others have picked up on it. I knew you were baiting and trolling from your first post. Well done for reaching 11 pages. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 22, 2023 9:34:46 GMT
Nonsense. The EU have obviously done their best to damage our economy - to prevent others leaving the EU. If you can't see that you're wilfully blind. And the Remoaners are obviously conspiring to take us back into the EU - what else would they do? And my comments on muslims are "generalisations". If you're going to say that no one can generalise about any group of people until ALL of them fit that description then you can't really talk about any group of people at all. All these terms like Left and Right become meaningless because each individual member of the group is different to some extent. You're using a generalisation yourself when you dismiss everything you don't agree with as a "conspiracy theory". Science is particularly interested in "patterns" of behaviour - in fact that's what science is. And muslims have very high pattern correlations - especially with regard to terrorism. , No one doubts that there are those who would like us back in the EU, What is in question is the notion that they are involved in any kind of plot to that effect, beyond seeking to persuade as is their democratic right. And the EU has the economic interests of its member states as their top priority, and these interests are not best served by damaging a nearby trading partner. Any damage accruing from Brexit is inherent to Brexit itself and is thus self inflicted. If they were out to harm us as you insist, why would they have cooperated with agreeing a free trade agreement with us, exempting us from most EU tariffs? Your conspiracy theory lacks substance beyond pure supposition of malice. As for your generalisations about Muslims, if you had qualified it with words such as "some" or "many" it might have been true. But by wilfully omitting such qualifications you deliberately seek to imply that all Muslims are bad. If I were to say some right wingers are assholes it would be true. Some left wingers are as well. Also some centrists. But if I were to omit the word "some" and simply say that right wingers are assholes, the obvious implication is that I am calling all right wingers assholes, which of course isnt true. You either need to be more honest about what you mean and openly state that you think all Muslims are intolerant, which is rubbish, or you need to be more careful with the way you use language. So anything you don't agree with is a "conspiracy" and an "alternate reality", srb. And the EU is an organisation that has the best interests of its member states - and their trading partners - as a "first priority". Talk about rose-tinted specs. The EU Council takes care of its members as far as possible but the EU Commission has no such priority - it's intent on its overarching political goal. And one of them is to break up the UK and damage our economy. They've admitted this. The only reason that we got any kind of deal with the EU Commission is because they need us to buy their goods and they want to fish in our waters. So their "malice" had to be mitigated to an extent. As for the nonsense about about the statement that "muslims are intolerant" means "all muslims are intolerant" I don't agree. If I'd meant that I'd have said "all muslims are intolerant". It's a generalisation not an absolute definition. You're just trying to avoid facing the fact that muslims, in general, have difficulty accepting views, beliefs, practices etc that are different to their own when you must know perfectly well that this is true. For example most of us in this country now involuntarily eat halal meat because the muslims demand it. We're tolerant but they aren't. This is a pretty good general rule about muslims - that's why they had to partition India, because the muslims hated the Hindus. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 22, 2023 10:47:45 GMT
No one has ever lied so often as Trump. From day one when he lied about the size of the crowd at his inauguration to his big lie about a stolen election. He's pathological. He's not just a liar, he's a thief, and a traitor. Inciting a riot against his own country's democracy, because he didn't like the result is treason. Arsehole though Joe Biden is, he is also elected. |
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