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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 11:35:54 GMT
He's not just a liar, he's a thief, and a traitor. Inciting a riot against his own country's democracy, because he didn't like the result is treason. Arsehole though Joe Biden is, he is also elected. All very debateable, Vinny, now the video evidence has escaped. Not to mention the dodgy election interference. Trump looks very likely to be re-elected. Maybe the swamp has silted up again. I'd rather someone else for the Republicans, personally. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 22, 2023 11:53:03 GMT
The Republicans need a more personable leader, another Reagan or Eisenhower.
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Post by Orac on Nov 22, 2023 12:12:57 GMT
inciting a riot lol.
He did nothing of the sort and you fixedly asserting that he did won't change that. It just makes you look obsessed.
As for your other accusations - they are just as windy.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 14:05:53 GMT
The same conspiracist thinking, No one doubts that there are those who would like us back in the EU, What is in question is the notion that they are involved in any kind of plot to that effect, beyond seeking to persuade as is their democratic right. And the EU has the economic interests of its member states as their top priority, and these interests are not best served by damaging a nearby trading partner. Any damage accruing from Brexit is inherent to Brexit itself and is thus self inflicted. If they were out to harm us as you insist, why would they have cooperated with agreeing a free trade agreement with us, exempting us from most EU tariffs? Your conspiracy theory lacks substance beyond pure supposition of malice. As for your generalisations about Muslims, if you had qualified it with words such as "some" or "many" it might have been true. But by wilfully omitting such qualifications you deliberately seek to imply that all Muslims are bad. If I were to say some right wingers are assholes it would be true. Some left wingers are as well. Also some centrists. But if I were to omit the word "some" and simply say that right wingers are assholes, the obvious implication is that I am calling all right wingers assholes, which of course isnt true. You either need to be more honest about what you mean and openly state that you think all Muslims are intolerant, which is rubbish, or you need to be more careful with the way you use language. And the EU is an organisation that has the best interests of its member states - and their trading partners - as a "first priority". Talk about rose-tinted specs. The EU Council takes care of its members as far as possible but the EU Commission has no such priority - it's intent on its overarching political goal. And one of them is to break up the UK and damage our economy. They've admitted this. The only reason that we got any kind of deal with the EU Commission is because they need us to buy their goods and they want to fish in our waters. So their "malice" had to be mitigated to an extent. As for the nonsense about about the statement that "muslims are intolerant" means "all muslims are intolerant" I don't agree. If I'd meant that I'd have said "all muslims are intolerant". It's a generalisation not an absolute definition. You're just trying to avoid facing the fact that muslims, in general, have difficulty accepting views, beliefs, practices etc that are different to their own when you must know perfectly well that this is true. For example most of us in this country now involuntarily eat halal meat because the muslims demand it. We're tolerant but they aren't. This is a pretty good general rule about muslims - that's why they had to partition India, because the muslims hated the Hindus. No. Having a different opinion does not constitute a conspiracy theory. Concocting or imagining an alleged plot with little or no evidence beyond your own paranoia does. That you cannot tell the difference between a conspiracy theory and a mere difference of opinion is itself rather revealing. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 22, 2023 15:20:43 GMT
So anything you don't agree with is a "conspiracy" and an "alternate reality", srb. And the EU is an organisation that has the best interests of its member states - and their trading partners - as a "first priority". Talk about rose-tinted specs. The EU Council takes care of its members as far as possible but the EU Commission has no such priority - it's intent on its overarching political goal. And one of them is to break up the UK and damage our economy. They've admitted this. The only reason that we got any kind of deal with the EU Commission is because they need us to buy their goods and they want to fish in our waters. So their "malice" had to be mitigated to an extent. As for the nonsense about about the statement that "muslims are intolerant" means "all muslims are intolerant" I don't agree. If I'd meant that I'd have said "all muslims are intolerant". It's a generalisation not an absolute definition. You're just trying to avoid facing the fact that muslims, in general, have difficulty accepting views, beliefs, practices etc that are different to their own when you must know perfectly well that this is true. For example most of us in this country now involuntarily eat halal meat because the muslims demand it. We're tolerant but they aren't. This is a pretty good general rule about muslims - that's why they had to partition India, because the muslims hated the Hindus. No. Having a different opinion does not constitute a conspiracy theory. Concocting or imagining an alleged plot with little or no evidence beyond your own paranoia does. That you cannot tell the difference between a conspiracy theory and a mere difference of opinion is itself rather revealing. So you're saying that you discount all "conspiracies" are you? Like I said you're very naive - to put it kindly. As I said it's plainly obvious that there is a conspiracy of remoaners who always wanted to prevent Brexit, and after we left they're now conspiring to take us back in. The conspiracy to prevent us leaving was blindingly obvious when a remainer cabal took control of Parliament's agenda (with the help of the remainer Speaker) and passed the Surrender Act - meaning that the UK could NOT leave the EU without their permission. That's obviously a conspiracy. And the current situation where have cleared out most of the genuine "leave" MPs from government is another remain conspiracy. It's no secret that 75% of the MPs want to be in the EU. It's you that needs the reality check. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 22, 2023 15:29:15 GMT
No one has ever lied so often as Trump. From day one when he lied about the size of the crowd at his inauguration to his big lie about a stolen election. He's pathological. He's not just a liar, he's a thief, and a traitor. Inciting a riot against his own country's democracy, because he didn't like the result is treason. Arsehole though Joe Biden is, he is also elected. The thing about the election is that it was very unusual in that, due to Covid, there were a huge number of postal votes - many of which came in long after the ballots were closed. So after the ballots were closed it did look like Trump had won. But he was "reeled in" day after day by late postal votes. Not only is this dubious legally but there's also the problem that we know that, if there's any fraud, it's usually in the postal votes - and the Democrats had by far the most postal votes. It's very difficult to prevent fraud when some people vote in person in one constituency and via a postal vote in another. Trump has a valid concern. Unfortunately the Lefty judiciary had absolutely no interest in investigating it. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 22, 2023 15:31:00 GMT
The votes were re-counted and re-counted again.
Trump lied.
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 22, 2023 15:52:31 GMT
It wasn't the counting that was at fault. As I said there were two potential problems:
1. Postal votes that were received after they were ineligible - but they were still counted.
2. Fraudulent votes (often postal votes) where people had either voted twice (in different states) or had used a false identity.
No one ever checked this because it takes a long time, but it should have been done in this case because so many Democrat postal votes had been received.
There was a case in the UK (Tower Hamlets) where Lutfur Rahman was elected but people were suspicious and tried to get the Electroal Commission and the police to investigate but both refused. They then paid for a civil case against Rahman and the amount of fraud discovered was huge. He was booted out.
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Post by Orac on Nov 22, 2023 15:56:11 GMT
Intriguing that the electoral college and police would not investigate.
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Post by steppenwolf on Nov 22, 2023 16:08:53 GMT
The reason is that The Electoral Commission know about electoral law but don't have any powers of enforcement, and the police have powers of enforcement but don't know electoral law. And they both know that it's an immense amount of work to go through the votes and verify them properly. It's probably even more difficult in the USA.
Electoral fraud used to be very low and there used to be few marginals so it didn't really matter anyway. In the UK now, though, there are a lot of marginals where a block vote of one group (like the muslims) can easily swing an election. The vote for London Mayor is possibly a good example. It's very hard to oust a candidate who has the whole muslim vote - and they all vote, while most other groups don't.
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Post by Vinny on Nov 22, 2023 16:32:37 GMT
If the USA had any sense they'd scrap the electoral college, scrap the electronic voting machines, hand count everything and also make it impossible for anyone over 65 years old to stand for President.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 21:39:05 GMT
He's not just a liar, he's a thief, and a traitor. Inciting a riot against his own country's democracy, because he didn't like the result is treason. Arsehole though Joe Biden is, he is also elected. The thing about the election is that it was very unusual in that, due to Covid, there were a huge number of postal votes - many of which came in long after the ballots were closed. So after the ballots were closed it did look like Trump had won. But he was "reeled in" day after day by late postal votes. Not only is this dubious legally but there's also the problem that we know that, if there's any fraud, it's usually in the postal votes - and the Democrats had by far the most postal votes. It's very difficult to prevent fraud when some people vote in person in one constituency and via a postal vote in another. Trump has a valid concern. Unfortunately the Lefty judiciary had absolutely no interest in investigating it. So you are buying into Trump's stolen election conspiracy theory as well? And you call me naïve, lol. He lost, fair and square. If there were any significant voter fraud Trumps lot are likely to have uncovered it. They pulled out all the stops trying to. Nothing substantive or credible was found. The conspiracy to steal the election is - without evidence - just a groundless theory, hence the very epitome of a conspiracy theory. I bet you think the moon landings were faked too. lol |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 22, 2023 23:09:31 GMT
The reason is that The Electoral Commission know about electoral law but don't have any powers of enforcement, and the police have powers of enforcement but don't know electoral law. And they both know that it's an immense amount of work to go through the votes and verify them properly. It's probably even more difficult in the USA. Electoral fraud used to be very low and there used to be few marginals so it didn't really matter anyway. In the UK now, though, there are a lot of marginals where a block vote of one group (like the muslims) can easily swing an election. The vote for London Mayor is possibly a good example. It's very hard to oust a candidate who has the whole muslim vote - and they all vote, while most other groups don't. History proves that even if it were proven in a court of law the Left would still support it. They are perfectly OK with single party states that came to be through democide and oppression, so election rigging is small fry in comparison. To expect polite conversation to even explore the possibily is futile when confronted with the selective closed-minded. It's automatically dismissed because it's convenient to do so. And yes, we have had our own taste of it from Muslims who practice electoral corruption as the norm. Some were convicted of it, but for some reason they can end up back in the game. |
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Post by Vinny on Nov 23, 2023 0:01:50 GMT
Even Trump appointed judges turned against him.
And the USA doesn't really have a left, they have a centre and a right. Nothing particularly left wing, although the Dems are mad woke fools.
Woke in itself is nothing like Arthur Scargill.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2023 0:08:17 GMT
If the USA had any sense they'd scrap the electoral college, scrap the electronic voting machines, hand count everything and also make it impossible for anyone over 65 years old to stand for President. I think a minimum age is more important. Younger people are too ambitious, naive and open to quick fixes and corruption, which we saw from Blair and Cameron. For the upper end I would suggest up to retirement age before considering full mental and physical assessments. We do that for driving a car but not when steering a country. |
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