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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 9, 2023 21:11:13 GMT
Oh dear, another problem for Starmer.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 10, 2023 0:17:04 GMT
Oh dear, another problem for Starmer.
And this is the thick left virtual signallers who support this shit.......They haven't a bloody clue.Who would have thought students would be ignorant ... no-one ... ever. They just follow this weeks protest before moving onto the next thing they know nothing about to get up in arms over.
'I need to be more clued up': Students quizzed at pro-Palestine protest reveal how little they know about Israel-Hamas conflict and don't even know terror group launched bloody slaughter on October 7 - as others insist killers are 'freedom fighters'
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Post by sheepy on Nov 10, 2023 7:45:42 GMT
Since when did an Israeli life have ten times the monetary value of a Palestinian life?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2023 12:01:41 GMT
The populists of the Right show themselves up for their lack of understanding on this issue, just as they do on many issues.
The war in Gaza in not a binary issue, it is not about supporting or opposing one side or the other, the Hamas sponsored murderers who butchered over a thousand innocent Israeli civilians were wrong, and sensible people fully understand that Israel has every right to go after them.
On the other hand, what Israel has done to Gaza, and continues to do, including the deaths of over 10,000 people is also wrong.
As a person of "The Left" I do not ever defend the killing of innocent civilians, and certainly not on the scale which has happened here, BY BOTH SIDES.
The populist Right are generaly as thick as two short planks, they cannot see that a Jewish mother on a Kibbutz, or a Muslim schoolgirn in Gaza city are both human beings who do not deserve to die.
Its also utterly ridiculous to say that because some Hamas sponsored murderers and thugs killed a thousand Israeli civilians, it therefore justifies the killing of ten times that number of Palestinians.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 10, 2023 14:26:06 GMT
The populists of the Right show themselves up for their lack of understanding on this issue, just as they do on many issues. The war in Gaza in not a binary issue, it is not about supporting or opposing one side or the other, the Hamas sponsored murderers who butchered over a thousand innocent Israeli civilians were wrong, and sensible people fully understand that Israel has every right to go after them. On the other hand, what Israel has done to Gaza, and continues to do, including the deaths of over 10,000 people is also wrong. As a person of "The Left" I do not ever defend the killing of innocent civilians, and certainly not on the scale which has happened here, BY BOTH SIDES. The populist Right are generaly as thick as two short planks, they cannot see that a Jewish mother on a Kibbutz, or a Muslim schoolgirn in Gaza city are both human beings who do not deserve to die. Its also utterly ridiculous to say that because some Hamas sponsored murderers and thugs killed a thousand Israeli civilians, it therefore justifies the killing of ten times that number of Palestinians. Apart from you, no one is suggesting otherwise. What we have pointed out however is that if Hamas released the hostages then a ceasefire would be granted. Yet the Hamas sympathisers of the left seem strangely reluctant to call for that. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 16, 2023 1:11:13 GMT
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Post by walterpaisley on Nov 16, 2023 8:05:15 GMT
Yes, calling for a ceasefire IS a natural response to any war of attrition.
But Mr Starmer's right - in this case it would merely serve to give Hamas the breathing space needed to regroup and rearm.
Hamas are not a "regular enemy" who abide to the norms of warfare - as seen when they mounted their atrocities last month. They won't stop until they've wiped Israel (the only democracy in the region, remember..) off the map.
Anyone supporting them - however tacitly or even if motivated by humanitarian concerns - shouldn't be in a front bench position.
It's a headache for Mr S, sure, but one that's been on the cards since he began his project to rid the Party of antisemitism - and I'm sure he knew that it was going to come rumbling down the pike at some point.
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 16, 2023 8:11:38 GMT
Yet the Hamas sympathisers of the left seem strangely reluctant to call for that. Who are the Hamas sympathisers? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 16, 2023 8:31:56 GMT
Yet the Hamas sympathisers of the left seem strangely reluctant to call for that. Who are the Hamas sympathisers? Any commentator calling for a ceasefire without also calling for the release of the hostages. |
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Post by borchester on Nov 16, 2023 8:34:41 GMT
I doubt that the resignation of the Muslim MP for Bengal West will worry Starmer overmuch. And the latest polls have Labour set to slaughter the Tories next year, which means that come the general election all those MPs busily hawking their consciouses around Parliament and the media, will have great difficulty remembering where Gaza is and concentrate on shoving their noses up Sir Stodge's fundament in return for a junior ministry in charge of paper clip procurement
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Post by walterpaisley on Nov 16, 2023 9:03:34 GMT
Who are the Hamas sympathisers? Sadly, there are plenty on my SM feeds. No one is explicitly SAYING "I support Hamas", but the codes used are all present and correct: "From the river to the sea", conflating Israel with Nazis, no mention of the hostages, talk of some shadowy "Israeli Lobby" who supposedly control everything from world government to my own industry, taking Hamas statements as unassailable fact while dismissing anything the IDF say.. The signals are unmistakable. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 16, 2023 9:07:28 GMT
Who are the Hamas sympathisers? Any commentator calling for a ceasefire without also calling for the release of the hostages. So, it's possible to sympathise with Hamas without sympathising with Hamas then. Who knew. 🙄 |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 16, 2023 9:10:51 GMT
Who are the Hamas sympathisers? Sadly, there are plenty on my SM feeds. No one is explicitly SAYING "I support Hamas", but the codes used are all present and correct: "From the river to the sea", conflating Israel with Nazis, no mention of the hostages, talk of some shadowy "Israeli Lobby" who supposedly control everything from world government to my own industry, taking Hamas statements as unassailable fact while dismissing anything the IDF say.. The signals are unmistakable. Well, consider my flabber well and truly gasted - I actually agree with Wally.
In very simple terms, it's given away by the essentially one-sided narrative.
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Post by dappy on Nov 16, 2023 9:11:01 GMT
I found it quite uplifting last night to see politicians, whether you agree with them or not, standing up for a principle accepting personal cost in so doing. I suspect many will be back in the Government after the next election. I find that encouraging.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 16, 2023 9:11:48 GMT
Any commentator calling for a ceasefire without also calling for the release of the hostages. So, it's possible to sympathise with Hamas without sympathising with Hamas then. Who knew. 🙄 Illogical poster is illogical. Who knew.  |
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