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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 20:51:30 GMT
He was clearly assaulted, otherwise he would still have been holding his placard. He was attacked from the rear by two men. It's not like you to deny what is plain as the nose on your face. Yes as I said his placard was snatched but he wasn’t beaten up. No one said he was. You simply misinterpreted a post and cannot do the decent thing.
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Post by wapentake on Nov 11, 2023 21:00:36 GMT
Yes as I said his placard was snatched but he wasn’t beaten up. No one said he was. You simply misinterpreted a post and cannot do the decent thing. Pacifico posted this and you agreed with it,what other conclusion can you come to?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 21:07:50 GMT
No one said he was. You simply misinterpreted a post and cannot do the decent thing. Pacifico posted this and you agreed with it,what other conclusion can you come to? Please, your hole just keeps getting deeper. You responded to my post that mentioned the word "violence" and claimed it wasn't, which highlighted your ignorance over the Engish language or intentional misinterpretation. I responded to Pacifico's post which never mentioned the word "beaten". This is what Pacifico said: "We keep getting told by that these marches are not in support of Hamas - yet the one guy who turned up with an anti Hamas placard gets attacked.. "
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 21:27:29 GMT
Compulsory purchase involves purchase and not theft. And trying to say that such compulsory purchase for HS2 is identical to people of one nation stealing the lands of another in defiance of international law is frankly a laughable argument to make. And one I need spend little further time pointing out the ridiculousness of. It does that for itself. And saying the Israeli land thefts are okay because everyone else is doing it is as I have already stated one of the most childish justifications for a wrong that is imaginable. And in Israel's case these land thefts have been constant and ongoing and conducive of much newsworthy strife in the area, and such an obstacle to peace, that it is inevitable that it will be a major topic of discussion amongst all people of goodwill. Where other land grabs are equally newsworthy and a threat to peace, ie in the Ukraine, it is a major issue of discussion as well. This is natural. The reason that the left here is rather more vocal about the Israeli land thefts, than it is about the Ukraine, is that we all mostly tend to be on the same page in opposing Putin's land grabs. There are very few apologists for Russia here. But there are countless apologists for Israel here who need to be challenged. It is the very fact that many here are happy for Israel to do what they would condemn others doing that makes is such a totemic domestic political issue for the left. Your own risible contributions with their laughable justifications for the indefensible themselves act to prove this point. If I were to criticise Putin's land grab, you'd agree with me. End of debate. Your reluctance to criticise Israel's - and feeble attempts to justify it - is what is making it such a live issue between you and I. The same holds true in the nation at large. Understand that, and you might begin to understand why the Israeli land thefts remain such a live issue for the left. And it is essentially because many on the right here tend to seek to justify or excuse it in a way they don't when anybody else does it Several points I have not said anything is OK. My point was, and ignored, was that land thefts happen all over the world in defiance of international law yet the left are clamouring as regards Israeli land thefts. Take Kosovo, burning Serb churches and land theft of Serbian owned land are commonplace yet not a whisper from the left. It is the concentration on Israel that tells the tale as it is clearly an anti Jewish stance. If it was muslims stealing land from Muslims, as happens all over the ME, or from Christians as happens in Kosovo and in Pakistan and arguably Indonesia then there is not a peep. It is the hypocrisy noted in your concentration on one specific injustice amongst many in the world. And I have told you why the left feels so strongly about the settler land thefts. It is part of a pattern of oppression going on for decades, which many here seek to excuse or justify. It is that latter fact which makes it such a potent domestic issue for us. None of us would be arguing about it if we all agreed it was wrong. In most other places where anything remotely similar is taking place, the ones responsible are not backed to the hilt by our own establishment. That Israel is in spite of the settler land thefts, makes it the issue that it is domestically for us. If you cannot see or acknowledge this fact, and prefer to see other reasons for it then you are being wilfully blind. Because trust me, if our own establishment were backing Russia to the hilt in spite of Ukraine, the left would be screaming blue murder about it. It is the collusion or turning a blind eye of our own establishment which makes it a potent issue for us. If you cannot understand that, I doubt you ever will and will instead prefer to do as you are doing now and infer negative bullshit about us. We on the left see the establishment as part and parcel of the wealthy elites keeping control in their own interests, and not ours. So when the establishment appears to be complicit in or unconcerned about injustices elsewhere, that very fact fires our ire. But again, you seem incapable of understanding that. So you simplistically assume we must be antisemites, a morally lazy and in most of our cases utterly unjustified slur. And blame the media too because it is very selective in what it chooses to report.
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Post by wapentake on Nov 11, 2023 21:34:50 GMT
Pacifico posted this and you agreed with it,what other conclusion can you come to? Please, your hole just keeps getting deeper. You responded to my post that mentioned the word "violence" and claimed it wasn't, which highlighted your ignorance over the Engish language or intentional misinterpretation. I responded to Pacifico's post which never mentioned the word "beaten". This is what Pacifico said: "We keep getting told by that these marches are not in support of Hamas - yet the one guy who turned up with an anti Hamas placard gets attacked.. " Did he post a quote that the guy was beaten up? Thatll be yes,my understanding of the English language is fine. I posted around what had actually happened,you might note I said the march shouldn’t have taken place and that he had every right to hold his placard he was however not beaten up and Pacificos post was misleading in that respect wasn’t it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 11, 2023 21:43:53 GMT
This is what will probably happen on Saturday.. What has happened so far is a Tommy Robinson has led a bunch of hooligans who threw bottles at the police because the Cenotaph was blocked off from any demonstrators. When it kicked off he jumped in a taxi and did a runner. Most unsurprising. Shock horror. It was the far right nutters being cheered on by a few of the usual suspects on here who tried to get to the cenotaph, not the pro-Palestinian marchers. And it was the far right idiots who had to be stopped by the police. And it was these same far right twats who started attacking the police. And as soon as it kicked off Robinson does a runner And some people around here seem to think they are the ideal solution to the problem? One who ought to hang his head in shame even delighted in the prospect of these thugs laying in to the marchers, relished the thought even. When all they actually did was lay in to the police. Some of the more dubiously motivated members around here are looking rather silly now. They can now step back and try and pretend once again that they are not the closet racists that they so obviously are. For the purposes of clarification, I am not saying that everyone here critical of the march is a closet racist. So Squeezed Middle, Pacifico, etc, keep your hair on, I am not labelling most of you closet racists. But there are two or three around here who clearly are.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 11, 2023 23:01:13 GMT
When the Police allowed them in to the Cenotaph they stood in silence like everyone else - meantime the Palestine marchers were desecrating other war memorials. The police did not ''allow'' them into the Cenotaph. They forced their way past police barriers. why were the Police trying to stop them from showing their respects? last week the police allowed anyone and their dog down Whitehall.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 11, 2023 23:04:23 GMT
No one said he was. You simply misinterpreted a post and cannot do the decent thing. Pacifico posted this and you agreed with it,what other conclusion can you come to? I did not say that at all - please stop lying.
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Post by wapentake on Nov 12, 2023 0:48:26 GMT
Pacifico posted this and you agreed with it,what other conclusion can you come to? I did not say that at all - please stop lying. I didn’t say you did,look back and see I said you posted that quote here linkwhere I said this So a) I didn’t lie did I? and b) since this is the mind zone and it says “polite conversation only” and calling me a liar is quite impolite you might consider telling yourself off. And if you didn’t believe he was beaten up why did you post that?
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 12, 2023 7:41:28 GMT
I did not say that at all - please stop lying. I didn’t say you did,look back and see I said you posted that quote here linkwhere I said this So a) I didn’t lie did I? and b) since this is the mind zone and it says “polite conversation only” and calling me a liar is quite impolite you might consider telling yourself off. And if you didn’t believe he was beaten up why did you post that? I am only responsible for what I write - and the guy with the placard was plainly attacked as I said.
I let you post your apology in your own time.
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Post by wapentake on Nov 12, 2023 8:01:44 GMT
I didn’t say you did,look back and see I said you posted that quote here linkwhere I said this So a) I didn’t lie did I? and b) since this is the mind zone and it says “polite conversation only” and calling me a liar is quite impolite you might consider telling yourself off. And if you didn’t believe he was beaten up why did you post that? I am only responsible for what I write - and the guy with the placard was plainly attacked as I said.
I let you post your apology in your own time. Really? Wriggle all you like but you cannot even retract that I lied when clearly I didn’t,if you post misleading propaganda be prepared to be pulled on it. Enjoy your wait.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 12, 2023 8:05:37 GMT
I am only responsible for what I write - and the guy with the placard was plainly attacked as I said.
I let you post your apology in your own time. Really? Wriggle all you like but you cannot even retract that I lied when clearly I didn’t,if you post misleading propaganda be prepared to be pulled on it. Enjoy your wait. you said, and I quote: "Both you and Pacifico have vivid imaginations,he wasn’t beaten up."
As I have shown, I never claimed he was beaten up - I said he was attacked which he plainly was. Of course I dont really expect an apology for lying.
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Post by wapentake on Nov 12, 2023 8:18:42 GMT
Really? Wriggle all you like but you cannot even retract that I lied when clearly I didn’t,if you post misleading propaganda be prepared to be pulled on it. Enjoy your wait. you said, and I quote: "Both you and Pacifico have vivid imaginations,he wasn’t beaten up."
As I have shown, I never claimed he was beaten up - I said he was attacked which he plainly was. Of course I dont really expect an apology for lying. And as I have shown citing your vivid imagination doesn’t say that’s your specific words,Josef Goebbels likes your post btw.
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 12, 2023 8:26:13 GMT
you said, and I quote: "Both you and Pacifico have vivid imaginations,he wasn’t beaten up."
As I have shown, I never claimed he was beaten up - I said he was attacked which he plainly was. Of course I dont really expect an apology for lying. And as I have shown citing your vivid imagination doesn’t say that’s your specific words,Josef Goebbels likes your post btw. So why do you think I imagined the guy was beaten up when I never said he was in the first place? A rather bizarre way to carry on.
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Post by wapentake on Nov 12, 2023 8:28:32 GMT
And as I have shown citing your vivid imagination doesn’t say that’s your specific words,Josef Goebbels likes your post btw. So why do you think I imagined the guy was beaten up when I never said he was in the first place? A rather bizarre way to carry on. I’ll let you carry on claiming I am a liar when I did not,have a nice day.
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