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Post by Ripley on Nov 8, 2023 17:01:29 GMT
I'm not suggesting that you approve of the settlements. You have made it clear that you don't. I am simply differing with the way you appear to label the Arabs as violent and the Israelis as peaceful. Years of illegal settlements have caused great hardship to the Palestinians and in my opinion that is a hostile provocative act, incompatible with a long-term goal of peace. Your opinion will probably differ. The Israelis wanted peace and cooperation with the Arabs when they were allowed Jurisdiction over part of Palestine, it meant freedom and protection for the Jews and by the Jews in their own country for the first time in around 1500 years. The immediate reaction from the Palestinian Arabs and five Arab armies was, destroy Israel. That is why I post that the Jews / Israelis wanted peace, the Arabs chose conflict. That conflict eventually led to the appearance of Likud and violent Israeli reactions to Arab violence. I would hope that by now both sides want peace. Exactly what they're prepared to pay for it remains to be seen. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 8, 2023 17:24:37 GMT
The Israelis wanted peace and cooperation with the Arabs when they were allowed Jurisdiction over part of Palestine, it meant freedom and protection for the Jews and by the Jews in their own country for the first time in around 1500 years. The immediate reaction from the Palestinian Arabs and five Arab armies was, destroy Israel. That is why I post that the Jews / Israelis wanted peace, the Arabs chose conflict. That conflict eventually led to the appearance of Likud and violent Israeli reactions to Arab violence. I would hope that by now both sides want peace. Exactly what they're prepared to pay for it remains to be seen. I suspect that by now peace is further away than ever, nevertheless I am an optimist so I hope some way to peace is found. |
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Post by Ripley on Nov 8, 2023 17:28:33 GMT
I would hope that by now both sides want peace. Exactly what they're prepared to pay for it remains to be seen. I suspect that by now peace is further away than ever, nevertheless I am an optimist so I hope some way to peace is found. I hope for it too, but I don't see it happening without some third party intervention. Each side is still at some distance from recognising the other's basic humanity, far less their right to exist. And it has to be said that Israel has all the power here. What compromises can the Palestinians make by comparison? |
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Post by see2 on Nov 8, 2023 22:06:00 GMT
I suspect that by now peace is further away than ever, nevertheless I am an optimist so I hope some way to peace is found. I hope for it too, but I don't see it happening without some third party intervention. Each side is still at some distance from recognising the other's basic humanity, far less their right to exist. And it has to be said that Israel has all the power here. What compromises can the Palestinians make by comparison? IMO the single most telling compromise by the Arabs, would be for them to drop their long standing hatred of the Jew / Israelis and begin to work for peace. IMO that would instantly motivate the Israelis into positive peaceful action. The Israelis might be the most powerful militarily, but the Palestinian Arabs and the Arab nations, have the most powerful weapon in their -- long standing -- hatred of the Jews. |
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Post by Ripley on Nov 8, 2023 22:56:03 GMT
I hope for it too, but I don't see it happening without some third party intervention. Each side is still at some distance from recognising the other's basic humanity, far less their right to exist. And it has to be said that Israel has all the power here. What compromises can the Palestinians make by comparison? IMO the single most telling compromise by the Arabs, would be for them to drop their long standing hatred of the Jew / Israelis and begin to work for peace. IMO that would instantly motivate the Israelis into positive peaceful action. The Israelis might be the most powerful militarily, but the Palestinian Arabs and the Arab nations, have the most powerful weapon in their -- long standing -- hatred of the Jews. Do you not think that the hatred is mutual? |
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Post by see2 on Nov 8, 2023 23:14:02 GMT
IMO the single most telling compromise by the Arabs, would be for them to drop their long standing hatred of the Jew / Israelis and begin to work for peace. IMO that would instantly motivate the Israelis into positive peaceful action. The Israelis might be the most powerful militarily, but the Palestinian Arabs and the Arab nations, have the most powerful weapon in their -- long standing -- hatred of the Jews. Do you not think that the hatred is mutual? It probably is now, but hatred of the Jews began to show in 1858 when the Ottoman Muslims removed the chains of Dhimmitude from the Jews making them equal to the Arabs under the law. Some years ago when I was deeply into research on the Matter I found information on an Arab approach to the Ottomans, complaining about the Jews buying land in Palestine, they were told by the Ottomans that the Jews were free to buy land and property anywhere in the Ottoman empire except in Mecca and Medina. The conflict between the Palestinian Arabs and the Jews had begun. |
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