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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 16, 2023 7:50:24 GMT
The obvious problem with this is that destroying Hamas would only mean killing those terrorists who are in Gaza. Most of the people who run this terrorist organisation are not living in Gaza - they're not stupid. And if you kill their army they'll just recruit another. It's the old problem that you can't kill an ideology, and the sad fact is that the ideology of hatred of Jews is rife within virtually all sects of conservative muslims. It's not just a few oddballs as they would have us believe.
I think the demonstrations of "support for Palestine" - i.e. the celebration of the death of Jews" - in London, and in cities all over England (even in the West Country) have been a shock to many people. Even I never thought that there was so much virulent anti-semitism in this country.
And it's a disappointment that Starmer continues to conflate anti-semitism and islamophobia. Anti-semitism is racism and is illegal. Islamophobia - a word that basically makes no sense - is simply the dislike of the religion of Islam, which is NOT illegal. In fact any rational person utterly rejects the beliefs of Islam. And the behaviour of the muslims is all the evidence that is needed of the hatred that Islam encourages.
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Post by Orac on Oct 16, 2023 8:03:34 GMT
In many cases these are identified people who live in places like Qatar.
Nobody ever seems to raise the possibility of sanctioning these countries to pressure them extradite these arseholes.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 16, 2023 9:20:19 GMT
In the 1990s Mossad poisoned Khaled Mashal with a fentanyl based poison, they should have shot him.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2023 10:01:22 GMT
A message from an Israeli:
"I have no illusions. The international support we received during the first days following the Nazi-ISIS style massacre will soon be exchanged for its "disproportionate response".
Jewish blood is cheap in the eyes of many nations.
I can only hope that every citizen of Western Europe and America will understand that if we aren't allowed to take care of this monster here and now, it will encourage those among you to do the same to you!
Life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness are not things any of these monsters or supporters care about"
I'm taking note.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 16, 2023 11:03:47 GMT
Hamas should be destroyed, starting with the men at the top.
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Post by steppenwolf on Oct 16, 2023 12:31:09 GMT
A message from an Israeli: "I have no illusions. The international support we received during the first days following the Nazi-ISIS style massacre will soon be exchanged for its "disproportionate response".
Jewish blood is cheap in the eyes of many nations.
I can only hope that every citizen of Western Europe and America will understand that if we aren't allowed to take care of this monster here and now, it will encourage those among you to do the same to you!
Life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness are not things any of these monsters or supporters care about"I'm taking note. It's already happened at the BBC. I listened to Mishal Hussein's interview with the Israeli Ambassador on "Today", today and it was obvious from her aggressive attitude whose side she was on. But she was slightly put on the back foot after she asked the ambassador what right Israel had to cut off water supplies to Gaza. The ambassador said that it wasn't the responsibility of Israel to supply water to Gaza. Ms Hussein had no response to that. The fact is that the international community have given vast amounts of aid to Gaza but Hamas has used it to buy weapons. One country (I forget which), aware that giving Gaza money was just stoking conflict, sent Gaza water pipes to allow them to provide their own water supply. But Hamas used them to make rocket launchers. Full marks for improvisation, of course, but these people are just terrorists. |
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Post by morayloon on Oct 29, 2023 0:07:04 GMT
A message from an Israeli: "I have no illusions. The international support we received during the first days following the Nazi-ISIS style massacre will soon be exchanged for its "disproportionate response".
Jewish blood is cheap in the eyes of many nations.
I can only hope that every citizen of Western Europe and America will understand that if we aren't allowed to take care of this monster here and now, it will encourage those among you to do the same to you!
Life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness are not things any of these monsters or supporters care about"I'm taking note. It's already happened at the BBC. I listened to Mishal Hussein's interview with the Israeli Ambassador on "Today", today and it was obvious from her aggressive attitude whose side she was on. But she was slightly put on the back foot after she asked the ambassador what right Israel had to cut off water supplies to Gaza. The ambassador said that it wasn't the responsibility of Israel to supply water to Gaza. Ms Hussein had no response to that. The fact is that the international community have given vast amounts of aid to Gaza but Hamas has used it to buy weapons. One country (I forget which), aware that giving Gaza money was just stoking conflict, sent Gaza water pipes to allow them to provide their own water supply. But Hamas used them to make rocket launchers. Full marks for improvisation, of course, but these people are just terrorists. Israel controls the water supply to Gaza www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/ |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 29, 2023 7:47:28 GMT
It's already happened at the BBC. I listened to Mishal Hussein's interview with the Israeli Ambassador on "Today", today and it was obvious from her aggressive attitude whose side she was on. But she was slightly put on the back foot after she asked the ambassador what right Israel had to cut off water supplies to Gaza. The ambassador said that it wasn't the responsibility of Israel to supply water to Gaza. Ms Hussein had no response to that. The fact is that the international community have given vast amounts of aid to Gaza but Hamas has used it to buy weapons. One country (I forget which), aware that giving Gaza money was just stoking conflict, sent Gaza water pipes to allow them to provide their own water supply. But Hamas used them to make rocket launchers. Full marks for improvisation, of course, but these people are just terrorists. Israel controls the water supply to Gaza www.amnesty.org/en/latest/campaigns/2017/11/the-occupation-of-water/So what has the Government in Gaza been doing about this for the last 20 years?. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 7:53:41 GMT
The obvious problem with this is that destroying Hamas would only mean killing those terrorists who are in Gaza. Most of the people who run this terrorist organisation are not living in Gaza - they're not stupid. And if you kill their army they'll just recruit another. It's the old problem that you can't kill an ideology, and the sad fact is that the ideology of hatred of Jews is rife within virtually all sects of conservative muslims. It's not just a few oddballs as they would have us believe. I think the demonstrations of "support for Palestine" - i.e. the celebration of the death of Jews" - in London, and in cities all over England (even in the West Country) have been a shock to many people. Even I never thought that there was so much virulent anti-semitism in this country. And it's a disappointment that Starmer continues to conflate anti-semitism and islamophobia. Anti-semitism is racism and is illegal. Islamophobia - a word that basically makes no sense - is simply the dislike of the religion of Islam, which is NOT illegal. In fact any rational person utterly rejects the beliefs of Islam. And the behaviour of the muslims is all the evidence that is needed of the hatred that Islam encourages. This is a ridiculous statement and an insult to those that care about all lives. You cannot conflate anti-Semitism with Islamophobia they are both racism and need to be eradicated. Islamophobia can lead to the attacking of Muslims and is therefore illegal. "Islamophobia is rooted in racism and is a type of racism that targets expressions of Muslimness or perceived Muslimness". HOC Library. Racism is illegal. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 29, 2023 8:10:23 GMT
The obvious problem with this is that destroying Hamas would only mean killing those terrorists who are in Gaza. Most of the people who run this terrorist organisation are not living in Gaza - they're not stupid. And if you kill their army they'll just recruit another. It's the old problem that you can't kill an ideology, and the sad fact is that the ideology of hatred of Jews is rife within virtually all sects of conservative muslims. It's not just a few oddballs as they would have us believe. I think the demonstrations of "support for Palestine" - i.e. the celebration of the death of Jews" - in London, and in cities all over England (even in the West Country) have been a shock to many people. Even I never thought that there was so much virulent anti-semitism in this country. And it's a disappointment that Starmer continues to conflate anti-semitism and islamophobia. Anti-semitism is racism and is illegal. Islamophobia - a word that basically makes no sense - is simply the dislike of the religion of Islam, which is NOT illegal. In fact any rational person utterly rejects the beliefs of Islam. And the behaviour of the muslims is all the evidence that is needed of the hatred that Islam encourages. This is a ridiculous statement and an insult to those that care about all lives. You cannot conflate anti-Semitism with Islamophobia they are both racism and need to be eradicated. Islamophobia can lead to the attacking of Muslims and is therefore illegal.Er - no it is not. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 12:44:57 GMT
This is a ridiculous statement and an insult to those that care about all lives. You cannot conflate anti-Semitism with Islamophobia they are both racism and need to be eradicated. Islamophobia can lead to the attacking of Muslims and is therefore illegal.Er - no it is not. Support for Palestinians is not support for Hamas. |
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Post by Ripley on Oct 29, 2023 14:42:34 GMT
A message from an Israeli: "I have no illusions. The international support we received during the first days following the Nazi-ISIS style massacre will soon be exchanged for its "disproportionate response".
Jewish blood is cheap in the eyes of many nations.
I can only hope that every citizen of Western Europe and America will understand that if we aren't allowed to take care of this monster here and now, it will encourage those among you to do the same to you!
Life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness are not things any of these monsters or supporters care about"I'm taking note. How many conflicts have there been between these two parties in 75 years? Has any one of them actually ended the madness? Answering a massacre with a retaliatory massacre contributes nothing to solving the problem. It only entrenches hatred and guarantees continued savagery and mass murder. No, the international community should not allow this to go on. It has to be brought to an end. If they won't end it because they prefer to choose war over peace, the international community should end it for them whether they like it or not. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 14:47:28 GMT
The fabled "International Community" isn't actually any sort of community and can't agree on Russian aggression, which is mostly secular. If you allude to the UN they are worse than uselss.
How would it agree on a matter of Israel/Palestine which is rife with religious affiliation?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 14:57:46 GMT
The only way to defeat a group like Hamas is to talk to them.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2023 15:10:53 GMT
The only way to defeat a group like Hamas is to talk to them. What a good idea. Are you volunteering? Maybe Jeremey Corbyn will pop over with you to speak to his "friends". Good luck! |
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