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Post by wapentake on Oct 29, 2023 23:22:38 GMT
They have no airport,no seaport Israel controls that and everything that goes in or out. no they don't - Egypt contol their borders nobody else. The Palestinians rejected a 2 state solution when Netanyahu and his party were out of office. You really are going to have to find better scapegoats. You are going to have to find better diversions,did Netanyahu support Hamas and allowed secret funds in yes or no? |
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Post by Ripley on Oct 29, 2023 23:31:29 GMT
If the Palestinians had access to food, water, medical supplies, housing and employment opportunities, if their lives were better, their standard of living improved , and if they had freedom of movement, Hamas would have a lot less appeal. Give them something worth losing and you'll improve their interest in making peace. They have access to to all that - I suspect they would have access to an awful lot more if they stopped electing terrorist organisations to be their government. But Palestinians are as entitled as anyone else to vote for whoever they like. How would you you stop Palestinians voting for terrorists?For starters, give back some of the land that has been illegally taken under the occupation. End the 17 year long blockade. Rebuild Gaza to a decent standard. Clamp down on settlers who like to shoot Palestinians. And so on. Give them a reason to believe there can be peaceful co-existence. Right now they have nothing to lose. |
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Post by morayloon on Oct 30, 2023 0:14:09 GMT
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 30, 2023 0:35:46 GMT
If the Palestinians had access to food, water, medical supplies, housing and employment opportunities, if their lives were better, their standard of living improved , and if they had freedom of movement, Hamas would have a lot less appeal. Give them something worth losing and you'll improve their interest in making peace. They have access to to all that - I suspect they would have access to an awful lot more if they stopped electing terrorist organisations to be their government. But Palestinians are as entitled as anyone else to vote for whoever they like. How would you you stop Palestinians voting for terrorists? Hamas has already stopped Palestinians voting. For anyone. There hasn't been an election since 2006 so nobody under the age of about 35 has ever had the chance to vote full stop. 40% of the population is under 18 nearly 60% are under 25. Those who were eligible to vote in 2006 are 20-30% of the current population and many of them didn't vote for Hamas. So the vast majority of those living in Palestine today did not vote for Hamas. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 30, 2023 7:53:44 GMT
no they don't - Egypt contol their borders nobody else. The Palestinians rejected a 2 state solution when Netanyahu and his party were out of office. You really are going to have to find better scapegoats. You are going to have to find better diversions,did Netanyahu support Hamas and allowed secret funds in yes or no? what has that got to do with what I wrote? - the Palestinians rejection of a 2 state solution was done by Fatah not Hamas. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 30, 2023 7:56:14 GMT
They have access to to all that - I suspect they would have access to an awful lot more if they stopped electing terrorist organisations to be their government. But Palestinians are as entitled as anyone else to vote for whoever they like. How would you you stop Palestinians voting for terrorists?For starters, give back some of the land that has been illegally taken under the occupation. End the 17 year long blockade. Rebuild Gaza to a decent standard. Clamp down on settlers who like to shoot Palestinians. And so on. Give them a reason to believe there can be peaceful co-existence. Right now they have nothing to lose. Yes - Israel did that in Gaza in 2005. And in 2006 the Plaestinians voted Hamas in as their elected Government. So I ask again - How would you stop Palestinians voting for terrorists?. Or is the contention that it will be somehow different next time?. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 30, 2023 7:59:14 GMT
And again - what has the government of Gaza done about that in the last 20 years?. Why have they not invested and instead of using the money and supplies to build tunnels and built water plants and power stations, rather than remaining reliant on Israel. In a war it is not the responsibility of one side to ensure that the lights stay on in the enemy's territory. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 30, 2023 9:31:11 GMT
You are going to have to find better diversions,did Netanyahu support Hamas and allowed secret funds in yes or no? what has that got to do with what I wrote? - the Palestinians rejection of a 2 state solution was done by Fatah not Hamas. What did your answer have to do with what I originally wrote? Nothing at all because as is usual you evade answering difficult truths and instead engage in dishonest debate. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 30, 2023 13:11:31 GMT
what has that got to do with what I wrote? - the Palestinians rejection of a 2 state solution was done by Fatah not Hamas. What did your answer have to do with what I originally wrote? Nothing at all because as is usual you evade answering difficult truths and instead engage in dishonest debate. well your 'debate' seems to simply consist of saying how bad Netanyahu is and how everything is his fault even when he has nothing to do with it. Care to comment on the fact that the Palestinians rejected the Camp David proposal of a 2 State Solution based on the 1967 Borders? |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 30, 2023 14:01:50 GMT
The only way to defeat a group like Hamas is to talk to them. They are not interested in talking / negotiating. They want the total destruction of Israel and the subjugation of everyone to Islam. They are no different to the bastards who hijacked and crashed planes on the 11th of Sept 2001. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 30, 2023 14:47:17 GMT
What did your answer have to do with what I originally wrote? Nothing at all because as is usual you evade answering difficult truths and instead engage in dishonest debate. well your 'debate' seems to simply consist of saying how bad Netanyahu is and how everything is his fault even when he has nothing to do with it. Care to comment on the fact that the Palestinians rejected the Camp David proposal of a 2 State Solution based on the 1967 Borders? Well other than they rejected it instead of continuing to negotiate, you care to comment on why Hamas are where they are due to Netanyahu? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2023 15:11:28 GMT
The Palestinians rejected a 2 state solution when Netanyahu and his party were out of office. You really are going to have to find better scapegoats. Which one? There have been a number of proposals for a 2 state solution. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2023 15:11:55 GMT
The only way to defeat a group like Hamas is to talk to them. They are not interested in talking / negotiating. They want the total destruction of Israel and the subjugation of everyone to Islam. They are no different to the bastards who hijacked and crashed planes on the 11th of Sept 2001. Neither were the IRA. |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 30, 2023 15:16:07 GMT
We're not talking about the IRA we're talking about Islamist jihadist fanatics who are willing to suicide bomb. Scumbags who have even beheaded babies. Even PIRA weren't THAT bad. We're talking about people who have reverted to the Amin Al Husseini plan of trying to utterly destroy Israel. You cannot reason or negotiate with people who want you dead. They kidnapped and murdered this girl for no other reason than she was Israeli:  The fact that she'd used her dual nationality to avoid military service and did NOT want the conflict, meant nothing to them. The fact that she was at a peace festival, meant nothing to them. How can you negotiate with bastards who will rape and murder unarmed civilians and then parade their naked bodies through Gaza city? |
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Post by morayloon on Oct 30, 2023 22:04:21 GMT
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