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Post by Bentley on Oct 29, 2023 15:12:42 GMT
The only way to defeat a group like Hamas is to talk to them. Lol. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 29, 2023 18:05:44 GMT
A message from an Israeli: "I have no illusions. The international support we received during the first days following the Nazi-ISIS style massacre will soon be exchanged for its "disproportionate response".
Jewish blood is cheap in the eyes of many nations.
I can only hope that every citizen of Western Europe and America will understand that if we aren't allowed to take care of this monster here and now, it will encourage those among you to do the same to you!
Life, freedom and the pursuit of happiness are not things any of these monsters or supporters care about"I'm taking note. How many conflicts have there been between these two parties in 75 years? Has any one of them actually ended the madness? Answering a massacre with a retaliatory massacre contributes nothing to solving the problem. It only entrenches hatred and guarantees continued savagery and mass murder. No, the international community should not allow this to go on. It has to be brought to an end. If they won't end it because they prefer to choose war over peace, the international community should end it for them whether they like it or not.how would the 'international community' stop a terrorist group from fighting? - pity they didn't do something about the IRA, it would have saved thousands of lives. |
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Post by Ripley on Oct 29, 2023 18:53:54 GMT
How many conflicts have there been between these two parties in 75 years? Has any one of them actually ended the madness? Answering a massacre with a retaliatory massacre contributes nothing to solving the problem. It only entrenches hatred and guarantees continued savagery and mass murder. No, the international community should not allow this to go on. It has to be brought to an end. If they won't end it because they prefer to choose war over peace, the international community should end it for them whether they like it or not.how would the 'international community' stop a terrorist group from fighting? - pity they didn't do something about the IRA, it would have saved thousands of lives. If the Palestinians had access to food, water, medical supplies, housing and employment opportunities, if their lives were better, their standard of living improved , and if they had freedom of movement, Hamas would have a lot less appeal. Give them something worth losing and you'll improve their interest in making peace. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 29, 2023 19:02:34 GMT
how would the 'international community' stop a terrorist group from fighting? - pity they didn't do something about the IRA, it would have saved thousands of lives. If the Palestinians had access to food, water, medical supplies, housing and employment opportunities, if their lives were better, their standard of living improved , and if they had freedom of movement, Hamas would have a lot less appeal. Give them something worth losing and you'll improve their interest in making peace. You dont actually believe that do you ? |
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Post by Ripley on Oct 29, 2023 19:13:21 GMT
If the Palestinians had access to food, water, medical supplies, housing and employment opportunities, if their lives were better, their standard of living improved , and if they had freedom of movement, Hamas would have a lot less appeal. Give them something worth losing and you'll improve their interest in making peace. You dont actually believe that do you ? What do you think their lives have been like under the occupation? Forced to live like that, it's no wonder terrorists can manipulate them. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 29, 2023 19:20:02 GMT
You dont actually believe that do you ? What do you think their lives have been like under the occupation? Forced to live like that, it's no wonder terrorists can manipulate them. I mean do you really believe that they could reject Hamas even if they wanted two? Iran is pretty rich but Iranians seem to be stuck with the ayatollahs. |
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Post by Ripley on Oct 29, 2023 19:35:11 GMT
What do you think their lives have been like under the occupation? Forced to live like that, it's no wonder terrorists can manipulate them. I mean do you really believe that they could reject Hamas even if they wanted two? Iran is pretty rich but Iranians seem to be stuck with the ayatollahs. What does Iran have to do with it? Iran is not an Arab state. The Iranians are Persians. |
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Post by morayloon on Oct 29, 2023 19:35:11 GMT
So what has the Government in Gaza been doing about this for the last 20 years?. They haven't been able to do a lot such is the stranglehold Israeli holds over Gaza. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 29, 2023 19:50:01 GMT
I mean do you really believe that they could reject Hamas even if they wanted two? Iran is pretty rich but Iranians seem to be stuck with the ayatollahs. What does Iran have to do with it? Iran is not an Arab state. The Iranians are Persians. Doesn’t matter. It proves that rich Muslim countries with comparatively well off Muslims can still be stuck with an oppressive regime . |
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Post by Ripley on Oct 29, 2023 19:57:16 GMT
What does Iran have to do with it? Iran is not an Arab state. The Iranians are Persians. Doesn’t matter. It proves that rich Muslim countries with comparatively well off Muslims can still be stuck with an oppressive regime . Well, conflict hasn't solved the problem. Just because there are no guarantees doesn't mean a different approach wouldn't work. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 29, 2023 20:20:33 GMT
Doesn’t matter. It proves that rich Muslim countries with comparatively well off Muslims can still be stuck with an oppressive regime . Well, conflict hasn't solved the problem. Just because there are no guarantees doesn't mean a different approach wouldn't work. That’s a different subject . If the Palestinians in Gaza would not or could not reject Hamas if they were better off then why would Israel want to facilitate it? There could be a case for keeping Gaza a dystopian wasteland because a richer one would have more resources to destroy Israel. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 29, 2023 22:53:18 GMT
how would the 'international community' stop a terrorist group from fighting? - pity they didn't do something about the IRA, it would have saved thousands of lives. if their lives were better, their standard of living improved , and if they had freedom of movement, Hamas would have a lot less appeal. Give them something worth losing and you'll improve their interest in making peace. They have access to to all that - I suspect they would have access to an awful lot more if they stopped electing terrorist organisations to be their government. But Palestinians are as entitled as anyone else to vote for whoever they like. How would you you stop Palestinians voting for terrorists? |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 29, 2023 22:58:10 GMT
So what has the Government in Gaza been doing about this for the last 20 years?. They haven't been able to do a lot such is the stranglehold Israeli holds over Gaza. Dont be daft - all Israel controls is the airspace and the border between Gaza and Israel. The Government of Gaza could have invested in water utilities and energy supplies instead of using the materials destined for those for weapons to attack Israel. If Israel had been controlling Gaza then I'm damn sure they would have prevented the Palestinian Government from digging up water pipes to turn into missiles to launch at Israel. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 29, 2023 23:11:20 GMT
If the Palestinians had access to food, water, medical supplies, housing and employment opportunities, if their lives were better, their standard of living improved , and if they had freedom of movement, Hamas would have a lot less appeal. Give them something worth losing and you'll improve their interest in making peace. They have access to to all that - I suspect they would have access to an awful lot more if they stopped electing terrorist organisations to be their government. But Palestinians are as entitled as anyone else to vote for whoever they like. How would you you stop Palestinians voting for terrorists? They have no airport,no seaport Israel controls that and everything that goes in or out. As to this By not having people like a Netanyahu run Israel who secretly funded and allowed outside massive funding in to Gaza and Hamas. He promoted them to where they are and also blocked two state solutions. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 29, 2023 23:20:00 GMT
They have access to to all that - I suspect they would have access to an awful lot more if they stopped electing terrorist organisations to be their government. But Palestinians are as entitled as anyone else to vote for whoever they like. How would you you stop Palestinians voting for terrorists? They have no airport,no seaport Israel controls that and everything that goes in or out. no they don't - Egypt contol their borders nobody else. The Palestinians rejected a 2 state solution when Netanyahu and his party were out of office. You really are going to have to find better scapegoats. |
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