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Post by see2 on Oct 31, 2023 11:49:10 GMT
1. Again I have to point out that it was a battle. It was caused by restrictions placed on the Israeli need to be ready to fight for their survival against 5 Arab Muslim armies. That information, is not in any way an excuse for the killing of civilians. But it would play a part in the problems of Israeli needs and Palestinian Arab ANTI-SEMITIC HATRED of the Jews. No HATRED then no conflict. You choose to ignore the part played by the Arabs. 2. Rubbish, condemning massacres does not make you even handed. You are just not. 3.Once again you are projecting your feelings/thoughts onto me. Too many Arabs are clearly anti-Semitic, If they weren't there would have been a two state settlement back in 1948. 4.I have fully explained why you appear to possibly be anti-Semitic, your deviations change nothing. 5. I HAVE NEVER SAID YOU ARE ANTI-SEMITIC so your comment is another example of you arguing against your own thoughts. 6. Your last comment is an example of just how far away from reality you are. Really? What is this that you said on October 28th at 9.07am in this very thread....? "I have given you a definition of a massacre and an example of a real massacre, yet all you can see is the atrocity of Deir Yassin. That IMO suggests that whether you are or are not your posts suggests that you are an anti-Semite."Trying to argue that my posts are anti-semitic is surely the same as calling me an anti-semite. Unless you can convincingly demonstrate that I dont actually mean what I say. Or are you going to dance around the head of a pin and deploy semantic obfuscation to mask your own duplicity and double speak? If so, it will be an inevitable bore fest best ignored. The word was SUGGESTS, not, you are. So once again you are arguing with your thoughts which you are projecting onto me. I suggest you stop it. Your last comment reveals just how hard you work to try to defend yourself even when you are clearly in the wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 17:15:21 GMT
Except that the difference is that the overwhelming majority of British people are backing our government in supporting Ukraine. The situation in Israel / Gaza is completely different, because British public opinion is not united, it is split, and whilst no one in their right minds would support what Hamas did to innocent Israeli civilians, millions of Britons support the Palestinian cause, and bitterly oppose Israels killing of thousands of Palestinians... Yet again, you are confusing your opinion with public opinion. Outside of the Islamo-Left, the majority of the public stand behind Israel. We are sick of Islamic aggression. Your sense of reason and reasoning is breathtakingly over-simplyfied You appear to be suggesting that the extremists who killed the Israelis on October the 7th were Palestinian, and from Gaza, therefore its ok for Israel to bomb civilians, including women and children, including refugee camps, including residential areas and hospitals. No matter how you describe support for Palestinians in this country, the fact remains that millions support the Palestinians right to a homeland, and oppose the daily murder of Palestinians by Israel, including many on the right of politics. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 31, 2023 17:20:16 GMT
Yet again, you are confusing your opinion with public opinion. Outside of the Islamo-Left, the majority of the public stand behind Israel. We are sick of Islamic aggression. Your sense of reason and reasoning is breathtakingly over-simplyfied You appear to be suggesting that the extremists who killed the Israelis on October the 7th were Palestinian, and from Gaza, therefore its ok for Israel to bomb civilians, including women and children, including refugee camps, including residential areas and hospitals. No matter how you describe support for Palestinians in this country, the fact remains that millions support the Palestinians right to a homeland, and oppose the daily murder of Palestinians by Israel, including many on the right of politics. I support the Palestinians right to a homeland - it's just that they keep turning it down when it's offered. You cannot force peace on people. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 31, 2023 17:31:51 GMT
Yet again, you are confusing your opinion with public opinion. Outside of the Islamo-Left, the majority of the public stand behind Israel. We are sick of Islamic aggression. Your sense of reason and reasoning is breathtakingly over-simplyfied You appear to be suggesting that the extremists who killed the Israelis on October the 7th were Palestinian, and from Gaza, therefore its ok for Israel to bomb civilians, including women and children, including refugee camps, including residential areas and hospitals. No matter how you describe support for Palestinians in this country, the fact remains that millions support the Palestinians right to a homeland, and oppose the daily murder of Palestinians by Israel, including many on the right of politics. Nope, like your fellow traveler Wonky, you appear to have problems with basic literacy and comprehension. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 21:25:06 GMT
Really? What is this that you said on October 28th at 9.07am in this very thread....? "I have given you a definition of a massacre and an example of a real massacre, yet all you can see is the atrocity of Deir Yassin. That IMO suggests that whether you are or are not your posts suggests that you are an anti-Semite."Trying to argue that my posts are anti-semitic is surely the same as calling me an anti-semite. Unless you can convincingly demonstrate that I dont actually mean what I say. Or are you going to dance around the head of a pin and deploy semantic obfuscation to mask your own duplicity and double speak? If so, it will be an inevitable bore fest best ignored. The word was SUGGESTS, not, you are. So once again you are arguing with your thoughts which you are projecting onto me. I suggest you stop it. Your last comment reveals just how hard you work to try to defend yourself even when you are clearly in the wrong. So you didnt call me an anti-semite. You said that m y words suggested that I was. So the semantic dancing on a pin head I predicted. I'm bored now. So tell me. What words of mine do you believe suggest that I am an anti-semite? And your reasoning for thinking that please. And if you are telling me that my own words suggest I am an anti-semite to you, in my book to all intents and purposes that is tantamount to calling me an anti-semite, and most others would think the same. So put up or shut up. I would like to use your own reasoning to point out that your words suggest you are a knobhead. I am not calling you a knobhead of course. I am merely stating that your words suggest that you might be. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2023 21:47:12 GMT
Tonight the brave Israeli Defence Force hit a refugee camp in Gaza, and sources on the ground say at least 50 civilians were killed, and at least 150 people injurded, plus many missing.
The Israelis stated that they killed a Hamas commander ( ONE PERSON )
As that much respected Jewish Labour MP Gerald Kaufman would have said "that was the response of a Nazi".
We killed hundreds of innocents, HOWEVER we did manage to kill one Hamas commander
The actions of Israel are quite simply not defendable
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2023 9:28:51 GMT
The word was SUGGESTS, not, you are. So once again you are arguing with your thoughts which you are projecting onto me. I suggest you stop it. Your last comment reveals just how hard you work to try to defend yourself even when you are clearly in the wrong. So you didnt call me an anti-semite. You said that m y words suggested that I was. So the semantic dancing on a pin head I predicted. I'm bored now. So tell me. What words of mine do you believe suggest that I am an anti-semite? And your reasoning for thinking that please. And if you are telling me that my own words suggest I am an anti-semite to you, in my book to all intents and purposes that is tantamount to calling me an anti-semite, and most others would think the same. So put up or shut up. I would like to use your own reasoning to point out that your words suggest you are a knobhead. I am not calling you a knobhead of course. I am merely stating that your words suggest that you might be. To suggest, in this case, is to offer you something for you to think about AS EXPLAINED about your refusal to acknowledge the plight of the Israelis. It is a fixed position not a floating term for you to play about with. Your silly deviated use of the term "suggests" exposes your need to convince yourself you are always right. You have an active brain, it's just a pity you prefer your imagination to the realities of the comments made. |
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Post by see2 on Nov 1, 2023 9:39:59 GMT
Tonight the brave Israeli Defence Force hit a refugee camp in Gaza, and sources on the ground say at least 50 civilians were killed, and at least 150 people injurded, plus many missing. The Israelis stated that they killed a Hamas commander ( ONE PERSON ) As that much respected Jewish Labour MP Gerald Kaufman would have said "that was the response of a Nazi". We killed hundreds of innocents, HOWEVER we did manage to kill one Hamas commander The actions of Israel are quite simply not defendable How do you think Israel should have replied to the 7/10 massacre and the long recognised Hamas' desire to destroy Israel? My personal belief is that the Arab / Muslim world should have turned against Hamas. They didn't, thus leaving Israel little option other than to attempt to destroy Hamas. The West didn't count the deaths of innocent civilians killed when fighting for survival from Nazism. That's just an alternative view, not a recommendation for what is going on. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2023 11:19:39 GMT
For generations, the Israeli's refused to talk to the PLO, in the end they did
I am afraid that its something that people have to do, it was done in South Africa, Northern Ireland, Kenya, and it was done between Israel and Egypt, and Israel and Jordan.
What Israel and the West have to accept is that Hamas is the choice of the people of Gaza ( like it or not ), THEY WERE ELECTED.
As much as it might be a very bitter pill to swallow, just as it was with Sin Fein and the IRA, and the ANC, its either talk or more of the same ... for the forseeable future.
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Post by Orac on Nov 1, 2023 11:25:17 GMT
For generations, the Israeli's refused to talk to the PLO, in the end they did I am afraid that its something that people have to do, it was done in South Africa, Northern Ireland, Kenya, and it was done between Israel and Egypt, and Israel and Jordan. What Israel and the West have to accept is that Hamas is the choice of the people of Gaza ( like it or not ), THEY WERE ELECTED. As much as it might be a very bitter pill to swallow, just as it was with Sin Fein and the IRA, and the ANC, its either talk or more of the same ... for the forseeable future. Quite an aggressive / violent stance and one that invites force as the decider I wouldn't be at all surprised if those in opposition to you simply took up your offer and decided to stamp your head into the ground. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 1, 2023 11:35:51 GMT
For generations, the Israeli's refused to talk to the PLO, in the end they did I am afraid that its something that people have to do, it was done in South Africa, Northern Ireland, Kenya, and it was done between Israel and Egypt, and Israel and Jordan. What Israel and the West have to accept is that Hamas is the choice of the people of Gaza ( like it or not ), THEY WERE ELECTED.
As much as it might be a very bitter pill to swallow, just as it was with Sin Fein and the IRA, and the ANC, its either talk or more of the same ... for the forseeable future. Yes - as I have been saying for the past couple of weeks. And as the elected Government of Gaza the actions of that Government cannot be divorced from the fact that that is what the people voted for. |
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Post by wapentake on Nov 1, 2023 11:50:44 GMT
For generations, the Israeli's refused to talk to the PLO, in the end they did I am afraid that its something that people have to do, it was done in South Africa, Northern Ireland, Kenya, and it was done between Israel and Egypt, and Israel and Jordan. What Israel and the West have to accept is that Hamas is the choice of the people of Gaza ( like it or not ), THEY WERE ELECTED.
As much as it might be a very bitter pill to swallow, just as it was with Sin Fein and the IRA, and the ANC, its either talk or more of the same ... for the forseeable future. Yes - as I have been saying for the past couple of weeks. And as the elected Government of Gaza the actions of that Government cannot be divorced from the fact that that is what the people voted for. When was the last election in Gaza? |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2023 11:54:05 GMT
I will quote once again the late Gerald Kaufman ( Jewish Labour MP ) - He said this "Hamas are a particularly nasty organisation, but they are the only game in town".
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 1, 2023 11:54:06 GMT
Yes - as I have been saying for the past couple of weeks. And as the elected Government of Gaza the actions of that Government cannot be divorced from the fact that that is what the people voted for. When was the last election in Gaza? 2006 - were you expecting Hamas to introduce a Westminster Parliamentary democracy? If you elect a Government consisting of a Radical Islamic Party dedicated to the destruction of Israel don't be surprised if that is what you get. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 1, 2023 11:55:49 GMT
I will quote once again the late Gerald Kaufman ( Jewish Labour MP ) - He said this "Hamas are a particularly nasty organisation, but they are the only game in town". So there are no complaints then - a party that is dedicated to wiping out Israel and who are doing their best to achieve that, are quite naturally going to have some pushback. But if that is what the people want... |
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