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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 12, 2023 21:05:30 GMT
In early 1917 the war effort had reached a stalemate. Although the United States had declared war on Germany in April it was far from fully engaged - it would be late in the year before it even suffered a single casualty. The British government recognised the power of the Jewish lobby to influence US policy so it undertook to enlist the Jewish community for the Allied war effort.
To that end the Balfour Declaration was issued in November 1917, which read:
Foreign Office
November 2nd, 1917
Dear Lord Rothschild,
I have much pleasure in conveying to you. on behalf of His Majesty's Government, the following declaration of sympathy with Jewish Zionist aspirations which has been submitted to, and approved by, the Cabinet
His Majesty's Government view with favour the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, and will use their best endeavors to facilitate the achievement of this object, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.
I should be grateful if you would bring this declaration to the knowledge of the Zionist Federation.
Yours,
Arthur James Balfour
That notwithstanding, some two years earlier the Arabs then living in the area had been led to believe by representatives of the British government that, in return for launching a revolt against against the Ottoman Empire, they would be granted independence and political control over all former Ottoman possessions in the region, including Palestine.
Thus the 'twice-promised land'.
This is the root cause of all present problems in the region.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 12, 2023 21:13:51 GMT
Not really..
In 1947 the UN General Assembly voted on the partition plan which passed. The Jewish side accepted the UN plan for the establishment of two states. The Arabs rejected it and invaded the fledgling Jewish state.
If the UN is to be considered as the final arbiter in world affairs then you have to abide by the decisions.
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Post by Einhorn on Oct 12, 2023 22:33:30 GMT
Not really.. In 1947 the UN General Assembly voted on the partition plan which passed. The Jewish side accepted the UN plan for the establishment of two states. The Arabs rejected it and invaded the fledgling Jewish state. If the UN is to be considered as the final arbiter in world affairs then you have to abide by the decisions. Even its decisions on refugees (to go momentarily off topic)? |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 12, 2023 22:41:48 GMT
Not really.. In 1947 the UN General Assembly voted on the partition plan which passed. The Jewish side accepted the UN plan for the establishment of two states. The Arabs rejected it and invaded the fledgling Jewish state. If the UN is to be considered as the final arbiter in world affairs then you have to abide by the decisions.What like illegal settlements? |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 13, 2023 6:41:52 GMT
Not really.. In 1947 the UN General Assembly voted on the partition plan which passed. The Jewish side accepted the UN plan for the establishment of two states. The Arabs rejected it and invaded the fledgling Jewish state. If the UN is to be considered as the final arbiter in world affairs then you have to abide by the decisions. Even its decisions on refugees (to go momentarily off topic)? what decisions do you have in mind? |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 13, 2023 6:43:12 GMT
Not really.. In 1947 the UN General Assembly voted on the partition plan which passed. The Jewish side accepted the UN plan for the establishment of two states. The Arabs rejected it and invaded the fledgling Jewish state. If the UN is to be considered as the final arbiter in world affairs then you have to abide by the decisions.What like illegal settlements? Indeed - when one side rejected the UN Plan and invaded it opened the door for territorial expansion. And we are where we are.. |
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Post by wapentake on Oct 13, 2023 8:11:45 GMT
What like illegal settlements? Indeed - when one side rejected the UN Plan and invaded it opened the door for territorial expansion. And we are where we are.. What are you on about the un has deemed Israeli settlements in the West Bank as illegal since the conflict. Either you believe the un is the final arbiter or it isn’t. You broke the law so I can say's Pacifico |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 13, 2023 8:20:35 GMT
The UN Partition Plan was never going to be accepted by the Arabs given that two thirds of the land in Mandate Palestine was to be allocated to the Jewish state which only had around a third of the population.
Britain, in particular, abstained from the UN vote and refused to impose the plan on the Palestinians. It was never implemented since the day after the Mandate expired the Arab-Israeli war began.
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Post by Orac on Oct 13, 2023 8:56:59 GMT
This is a well placed thread, Dan
Very good
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Post by Einhorn on Oct 13, 2023 9:09:33 GMT
Even its decisions on refugees (to go momentarily off topic)? what decisions do you have in mind? The decision that Tory laws criminalising refugee dinghy arrivals are contrary to international law. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 13, 2023 9:15:17 GMT
The conflict goes back way beyond 1917, one which I doubt will ever be resolved till the end of days ..
Pontius Pilate
According to the Gospel of Matthew, Pilate washed his hands in front of the crowd before announcing, “I am innocent of this man’s blood; see to it yourselves.” The Jewish people shouted in response, “His blood be on us and our children.” It’s a passage that would be used for millennia to persecute the Jewish people.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 13, 2023 10:21:48 GMT
Indeed - when one side rejected the UN Plan and invaded it opened the door for territorial expansion. And we are where we are.. What are you on about the un has deemed Israeli settlements in the West Bank as illegal since the conflict. Either you believe the un is the final arbiter or it isn’t. You broke the law so I can say's Pacifico You can't launch a war and then complain when the outcome is not one that you like. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 13, 2023 10:22:14 GMT
what decisions do you have in mind? The decision that Tory laws criminalising refugee dinghy arrivals are contrary to international law. got a link? |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 13, 2023 10:24:01 GMT
The UN Partition Plan was never going to be accepted by the Arabs given that two thirds of the land in Mandate Palestine was to be allocated to the Jewish state which only had around a third of the population.
Britain, in particular, abstained from the UN vote and refused to impose the plan on the Palestinians. It was never implemented since the day after the Mandate expired the Arab-Israeli war began. Well by then the majority of the Mandate had already been given to the Arabs. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 13, 2023 10:25:01 GMT
Given? By whom?
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