Palestine - The twice-promised land

I am afraid that it is true that Israeli settlers, fully backed by the IDF and Israeli government, have been stealing land that is not theirs. And whilst we have not helped them do this, we have done nothing much to stop them either.

why do you think this has anything to do with us?

..and how would you propose 'we' stop them anyway?

I am refering to The Occupied Territories, meaning Gaza and The West Bank

Israel may have unilaterally withdrawn from Gaza, but Israel controls almost all of its borders and border crossings, except one, Israel controls the airspace, and it controls the coast and the sea off Gaza, isreal controls what goes into Gaza, and what comes out of Gaza.

The murder of Israeli citizens was by Hamas extremists, which does not give Israel any reason or right to kill almost 8000 Palestinian civilians including 4000 children. What Hamas did does not excuse Israel for cutting off water to all of the residents of Gaza, or to cut electricity, or to stop vital supplies from entering Gaza.

It was not the Haganah who were primarily responsible for the Deir Yassin massacre but extremist elements like the Stern Gang. And it was you who accused me of not understanding the Israeli position by being critical of the Deir Yassin massacre. How else is that to be interpreted other than a plea on your part to explain away the massacre as an exigency of war? After first trying to call it a battle. 

I have been even-handed, condemning both Jewish and Arab massacres. I'm not the biased one around here, sunlight.

And you and your ilk are forever throwing accusations of anti-semitism around at the drop of a hat in an obvious attempt to silence critics of Israel. Apparently, criticising Jewish extremists for a historical massacre is anti semitic in your eyes.

I guess I must be anti-American for being a critic of the My Lai massacre. And anti-British for being critical of the Amritsar massacre. Or perhaps you calling me an anti-semite is a baseless slur and insult entirely without foundation, which is typical of the Labour right wing you so identify with.

If you can point out where I have been anti-semitic - with quotes - then go right ahead, but at the moment if you even try you are going to quickly make yourself look both biased and stupid, not to mention malicious and mendacious. Because criticising a bunch of armed Jewish extremists for initiating a massacre of civilians in the 1940s does not constitute anti-semitism. To prove that it does you would have to demonstrate that I hold the entire Jewish people responsible for that on the assumption that all Jews are bad. Good luck with proving that one because I dont think that and never have, so am unlikely to have ever said such a thing.

So you can shove your malicious, dishonest, and nasty accusations where the sun don't shine. And swivel.

I think you are getting me confused with someone else - I am almost always against getting involved in foreign spats. If there is a quarrel in a faraway country, between people of whom we know nothing - then I'm quite relaxed about staying out of it.

You tend to find it's those on the Left who start clutching their pearls, wailing about the children and demanding that 'something' must be done. 

This thread highlighting that perfectly.