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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 16, 2023 21:52:18 GMT
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Post by Steve on Sept 16, 2023 23:03:27 GMT
Well it's obviously an attempt to lock in future Labour wins because younger people tend to support them more but it is arguably a democratic deficit that 22 years olds pay taxes, have to obey laws and see their country act internationally in ways set by a government they had no chance to vote against.
No perfect solutions.
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 16, 2023 23:23:59 GMT
Well it's obviously an attempt to lock in future Labour wins because younger people tend to support them more but it is arguably a democratic deficit that 22 years olds pay taxes, have to obey laws and see their country act internationally in ways set by a government they had no chance to vote against. No perfect solutions. Since children are usually more inclined to be left leaning it is indeed an obvious attempt to increase the Labour vote. A case of quantity over quality, you might say. ... a democratic deficit and 22 year olds? Perhaps you could elaborate... |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 17, 2023 7:19:24 GMT
I believe that if you are old enough to vote, you are old enough to drive, old enough to use a sunbed, old enough to apply for a firearm certificate, old enough to serve on a jury, old enough to do time in an adult jail, old enough to drink in a public house or buy tobacco for personal use, old enough to operate a chainsaw, old enough to serve in the armed forces on the front line and old enough to star in the movie Teens First Gangbang alongside 30-year-old co-stars.
Or maybe you are not...
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Post by Steve on Sept 17, 2023 8:52:37 GMT
Well it's obviously an attempt to lock in future Labour wins because younger people tend to support them more but it is arguably a democratic deficit that 22 years olds pay taxes, have to obey laws and see their country act internationally in ways set by a government they had no chance to vote against. No perfect solutions. Since children are usually more inclined to be left leaning it is indeed an obvious attempt to increase the Labour vote. A case of quantity over quality, you might say. ... a democratic deficit and 22 year olds? Perhaps you could elaborate... Someone who is 22 in an election year will often have had 5 years of having had to live with rules etc made by an unpopular government they had no ability to vote against. Unpopular governments tend to stick it out for the full five years. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2023 9:02:38 GMT
I know a lot of 'children' who are perfectly capable of knowing when a government works for them.
Giving children responsibilities is a good way of educating and setting them on the right path.
If it 'favours' Labour, so be it but consider what the Conservatives have been doing over the years to 'stop' poorer people from voting.
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Post by Bentley on Sept 17, 2023 9:12:19 GMT
Voting should be the preserve of adults . Anyone who thinks that 16 year olds are adults must have the mindset and maturity of a 16 year old.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 17, 2023 9:33:05 GMT
Voting should be the preserve of adults . Anyone who thinks that 16 year olds are adults must have the mindset and maturity of a 16 year old. Times change, we have the most 'informed' youth that has ever been. Why shouldn't they get a vote on things that directly affect them. Remember women were not aloud to vote once and there was uproar about that. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 17, 2023 9:49:46 GMT
I know a lot of 'children' who are perfectly capable of knowing when a government works for them. Giving children responsibilities is a good way of educating and setting them on the right path. If it 'favours' Labour, so be it but consider what the Conservatives have been doing over the years to 'stop' poorer people from voting. Allowing children to vote is not giving them responsibilities. Children are easilly influenced especially about things they know nothing about, like life and politcs. If a child has any interest interest in politics it's usually due to peer pressure rather than any genuine interest. Children will vote the way their parents vote, in some communities this will be expected. What have the conservatives been doing to stop poorer people voting? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 17, 2023 9:52:48 GMT
Voting should be the preserve of adults . Anyone who thinks that 16 year olds are adults must have the mindset and maturity of a 16 year old. In my sincere opinion the voting age should be increased to 25, since I know that will never happen I'd settle for 21. 18 is too young, 16 is laughable. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 17, 2023 9:56:52 GMT
Voting should be the preserve of adults . Anyone who thinks that 16 year olds are adults must have the mindset and maturity of a 16 year old. Times change, we have the most 'informed' youth that has ever been. Why shouldn't they get a vote on things that directly affect them. Remember women were not aloud to vote once and there was uproar about that. A load of bollocks followed by a straw man . Many 15 year olds are as mature as 16 year olds so why not allow 15 year olds to vote . On the other hand many 14 year olds are as mature as 15 year olds and many 13 year olds are as mature as 14 years olds …………this is where your inane illogical thinking leads. |
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Post by Bentley on Sept 17, 2023 9:58:04 GMT
Voting should be the preserve of adults . Anyone who thinks that 16 year olds are adults must have the mindset and maturity of a 16 year old. In my sincere opinion the voting age should be increased to 25, since I know that will never happen I'd settle for 21. 18 is too young, 16 is laughable. Maybe . Imo about 21. Lefties would want 6 year olds to vote if they could achieve it. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Sept 17, 2023 10:10:48 GMT
I know a couple of kids, they're my mates kids actually. They are decent enough kids aged 19 and 21. The 19 year old girl likes to think she is politically aware, alas a two minute chat quickly exposes that myth. Her older brother says he has no understanding of, or interest in politics. And that seems to be, in my experience, par for the course. In my experience kids pretend they like politics to fit in/impress, or openly admit they're uninterested in politics.
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Post by bancroft on Sept 17, 2023 11:37:18 GMT
I know a couple of kids, they're my mates kids actually. They are decent enough kids aged 19 and 21. The 19 year old girl likes to think she is politically aware, alas a two minute chat quickly exposes that myth. Her older brother says he has no understanding of, or interest in politics. And that seems to be, in my experience, par for the course. In my experience kids pretend they like politics to fit in/impress, or openly admit they're uninterested in politics. I have a niece mixed English-European and she comes to me when her mother is not there saying you are right, if we say anything against Labour it starts rows in class and she notices that some groups in school are allowed to get away with things. She is tall for her age and quite assertive so does not get bullied. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 17, 2023 12:14:33 GMT
I know a couple of kids, they're my mates kids actually. They are decent enough kids aged 19 and 21. The 19 year old girl likes to think she is politically aware, alas a two minute chat quickly exposes that myth. Her older brother says he has no understanding of, or interest in politics. And that seems to be, in my experience, par for the course. In my experience kids pretend they like politics to fit in/impress, or openly admit they're uninterested in politics. Most kids today don't give a flying fuck about politics mate. All they want is enough cash in their pockets to get smashed over the weekend. |
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