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Post by oracle75 on Sept 16, 2023 6:52:03 GMT
It's debatable that you live on this planet. Funny coming from someone who doesnt know what he brags he knows about. |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 16, 2023 6:58:00 GMT
No you have the wrong end of the stick again. People will not be buying Australian beef because of lies - they will be buying it because it is cheaper. And in a cost of living crisis, every little helps. There is zero proof that Oz beef will be cheaper. So you dont care about net zero and air pollution. And are happy to eat defrosted meat. Cost has many definitions. No one including those that promote it care a bout net zero....Just another fantasy with which to shag the poor over. |
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 16, 2023 7:03:41 GMT
No you have the wrong end of the stick again. People will not be buying Australian beef because of lies - they will be buying it because it is cheaper. And in a cost of living crisis, every little helps. There is zero proof that Oz beef will be cheaper. So you dont care about net zero and air pollution. And are happy to eat defrosted meat. Cost has many definitions. LOL - if it's not cheaper then people wont buy it and you will have been getting all excited for nothing.  |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 16, 2023 7:16:10 GMT
Not nearly as excited as you were at the ridiculous deal Truss made with great fanfare. And much to the laughter of the Australians. And the loss of your own beef farmers.
I have never known a countty to agree to undercut its own producers on price.
Utterly mad.
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Post by Pacifico on Sept 16, 2023 7:34:12 GMT
Not nearly as excited as you were at the ridiculous deal Truss made with great fanfare. And much to the laughter of the Australians. And the loss of your own beef farmers. I have never known a countty to agree to undercut its own producers on price. Utterly mad. So Australian Beef is going to be cheaper then? - make up your mind... |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 16, 2023 7:55:20 GMT
Not nearly as excited as you were at the ridiculous deal Truss made with great fanfare. And much to the laughter of the Australians. And the loss of your own beef farmers. I have never known a countty to agree to undercut its own producers on price. Utterly mad. So Australian Beef is going to be cheaper then? - make up your mind... That is what YOU said. "Well the reason is that it is cheaper - if the EU producers reduced their prices they would out compete the Australians. " |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 16, 2023 14:12:57 GMT
Oh dear well i suppose I should thank you for the biggest laugh ive had in a while. Those of us old enough to remember the day Ted Heath dragged us into the EEC will recall the meteoric rise in food prices caused by the Common Agricultural Policy that demanded farmers be paid massively more than the market price for overproduced items which were bought by the state using the tax paid by everyone else and put in butter and beef mountains and wine and milk lakes which were sold on to various african states. An EEC or EU official wouldn’t know a market price if it bent him over a barrel and butt-fucked him. If the EEC had been forced to sell the food that its farmers produced at the price the market outside the EEC set, French farmers would have been revolting in defence of their nice little earner…. I dont live in the past. and now you’re going to tell me the EU doesn’t fix minimum prices and stockpile excess any more …. That they only did this to piss off les rosbifs |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 16, 2023 17:10:25 GMT
and now you’re going to tell me the EU doesn’t fix minimum prices and stockpile excess any more …. That they only did this to piss off les rosbifs Indeed i am. The EU doesnt fix prices. It merely makes the trade deals. The WTO is more concerned with tariffs and prices. Jeezus. You people know nothing. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 17, 2023 10:30:26 GMT
and now you’re going to tell me the EU doesn’t fix minimum prices and stockpile excess any more …. That they only did this to piss off les rosbifs Indeed i am. The EU doesnt fix prices. It merely makes the trade deals. The WTO is more concerned with tariffs and prices. Jeezus. You people know nothing. Well having read this en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agricultural_PolicyI think it is you who is ignorant of EU state intervention to boost EU prices when the world price falls below the level the bussels dictatorship deems unacceptable… I suggest you educate yourself, particularly in respect of the LONG list of agricultural produce protected by this price fixing scam |
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 17, 2023 19:15:02 GMT
Indeed i am. The EU doesnt fix prices. It merely makes the trade deals. The WTO is more concerned with tariffs and prices. Jeezus. You people know nothing. Well having read this en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agricultural_PolicyI think it is you who is ignorant of EU state intervention to boost EU prices when the world price falls below the level the bussels dictatorship deems unacceptable… I suggest you educate yourself, particularly in respect of the LONG list of agricultural produce protected by this price fixing scam Subsidies are not price fixing. It supplements farmers etc when world prices drop. It is one benefit you get for being a member. No country would leave farmers with no income. Even the UK has promised to replace the CAP subsidies though unsurprisingly, is late in paying up. Prices are decided by global supply and demand of basic commodities plus the cost of using them to produce whatever makes a profit, being either material or service 0lus taxes and charges applied at whatever suitable level. Anything else you want to know, just ask. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Sept 17, 2023 22:59:48 GMT
Well having read this en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Agricultural_PolicyI think it is you who is ignorant of EU state intervention to boost EU prices when the world price falls below the level the bussels dictatorship deems unacceptable… I suggest you educate yourself, particularly in respect of the LONG list of agricultural produce protected by this price fixing scam Subsidies are not price fixing. It supplements farmers etc when world prices drop. It is one benefit you get for being a member. No country would leave farmers with no income. Even the UK has promised to replace the CAP subsidies though unsurprisingly, is late in paying up. Prices are decided by global supply and demand of basic commodities plus the cost of using them to produce whatever makes a profit, being either material or service 0lus taxes and charges applied at whatever suitable level. Anything else you want to know, just ask. oh ffs you need it spelled out AGAIN …. Very well … The CAP set an INTERVENTION PRICE below which the price of an agricultural good in an EEC / EU country COULD NOT FALL at which point non agricultural workers taxes were used by the state to buy farmers produce AT THAT PRICE snd then destroy it or sell it at a huge loss to supposedly starving black africans … That isn’t a subsidy it’s price rigging. Not only are non agricultural workers taxes wasted on funding this insane adventure the same workers must buy the foodstuffs from tbe farmer AT THE INFLATED PRICE |
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Post by jonksy on Sept 18, 2023 6:18:40 GMT
Nigel Farage hails Brexit for making Britain a global superpower once againPolitician-turned-pundit Nigel Farage believes the UK's muscular standing on the world stage is further vindication of voting to leave. He credits the renaissance of British business, the striking of a slew of trade deals and new-found diplomatic respect to escaping the shackles of the Brussels straitjacket. But the former Ukip leader warned the long list of victories would count for nothing unless the deepening migration crisis on our doorstep was resolved. Delivering a state-of-the-nation assessment Mr Farage, 59, said: "In global terms, Brexit must be seen as a success. Britain is now a country other sovereign states can do business with, and there are many examples of this in action." "Winning back self-government does not guarantee we will make the right decisions. It means we have the power to chart our own course." Britain is rightly regarded as the leading power aiding Ukraine's fight against Russian despot Vladimir Putin, supplying military hardware and diplomatic and strategic counsel. Meanwhile, Brexit opponents have consistently claimed the UK economy had been the worst performing among the G7's most prosperous nations since the Covid pandemic. But as Europe stutters and stumbles, the UK is thriving and pursuing a post-Brexit push to the Asia-Pacific region, forecast to account for 50 percent of global expansion by 2035. link
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Post by oracle75 on Sept 18, 2023 8:36:58 GMT
Subsidies are not price fixing. It supplements farmers etc when world prices drop. It is one benefit you get for being a member. No country would leave farmers with no income. Even the UK has promised to replace the CAP subsidies though unsurprisingly, is late in paying up. Prices are decided by global supply and demand of basic commodities plus the cost of using them to produce whatever makes a profit, being either material or service 0lus taxes and charges applied at whatever suitable level. Anything else you want to know, just ask. oh ffs you need it spelled out AGAIN …. Very well … The CAP set an INTERVENTION PRICE below which the price of an agricultural good in an EEC / EU country COULD NOT FALL at which point non agricultural workers taxes were used by the state to buy farmers produce AT THAT PRICE snd then destroy it or sell it at a huge loss to supposedly starving black africans … That isn’t a subsidy it’s price rigging. Not only are non agricultural workers taxes wasted on funding this insane adventure the same workers must buy the foodstuffs from tbe farmer AT THE INFLATED PRICE It is a subsidy. Each year the EU sends to every farmer a large yellow booklet and projected prices for crops and livestock wherein the farmer decides where and how much of particular crops and livestock are going to be produced. The projected prices are based on previous data. Now if everyone suddenly stopped eating bread or feeding their cows, the EU will make up the loss to a certain level. EVERY OTHER WESTERN NATION INCLUDING THE UK WILL SUPPORT ITS PRODUCERS FROM MASS BANKRUPTCY. INCLUDING THE UK WHICH HAS ADOPTED THE PRINCIPLES OF THE SUBSIDY SCHEMES FROM THE EU. What DOES affect global prices is FLOODING the market, which is China's tactic. www.technologyreview.com/2023/02/21/1068880/how-did-china-dominate-electric-cars-policy/www.marketplace.org/2023/06/20/why-china-dominates-the-worlds-ev-supply-chain/ans the infamous dumping of steel a few years ago. Topping up EU farmers who still rely on global market forces isnt goung to shake any feathers. |
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