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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 2, 2022 17:59:25 GMT
Now you are just being silly, not to mention demonstrating your inability to spell Sieg Heil... Well I guess you're the expert, Shrieky. And you haven't even yet shown sufficient intelligence to have worked out that Labour is not my party, lol I never said it was, but I thought yours took a nose-dive after 1945. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 18:11:05 GMT
Now you are just being silly, not to mention demonstrating your inability to spell Sieg Heil... Well I guess you're the expert, Shrieky. And you haven't even yet shown sufficient intelligence to have worked out that Labour is not my party, lol I never said it was, but I thought yours took a nose-dive after 1945. You clearly did and are now claiming otherwise. So not only a lack of intelligence but a lack of consistency and honesty too. But I suppose that doesn't matter if you are only interested in trolling and personal abuse with nothing else to bring to the table. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 2, 2022 18:12:07 GMT
I'm talking about what the current situation is - what your Latvian friend did years ago is of no interest. The world moves on. As for your idea about coming in on a non-work visas and then finding work.. you could well have a problem with that..  And I think you have a problem conflating students and visitors with migrant workers. And my Latvian friend is still here in the here and now, and still working. And still not claiming benefits. I'm not conflating anything - you can check the migration stats from the government and last year over a million people migrants came to the UK and only around 300,000 were on work visas. I suspect your Latvian friend is using the EU withdrawal agreement which gave grandfather rights to those already here. any Latvians coming now go through the normal immigration procedure the same as the citizens of every other country. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 2, 2022 18:12:54 GMT
Check out unemployment stats and economically inactive stats. Easily available. I did not refer to benefits, I was referring to the comment as regards army of layabouts. To avoid confusion please give the link where it shows which are immigrants/ second generation etc. Does not matter. If it is an ethnically specific group then if they include the new migrants that will boost the figures to the employed/economically active side. Does not matter if it is first second third or fourth generation. The point is that once you get past the first then proportionally as a defined group they are proportionally worse than our own layabout army; on average. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 2, 2022 18:13:19 GMT
Well I guess you're the expert, Shrieky. I never said it was, but I thought yours took a nose-dive after 1945. You clearly did and are now claiming otherwise. So not only a lack of intelligence but a lack of consistency and honesty too. But I suppose that doesn't matter if you are only interested in trolling and personal abuse with nothing else to bring to the table.
Do bore off, Shrieky. There's a chap.
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Post by Montegriffo on Nov 2, 2022 18:13:25 GMT
Can we stick to the topic rather than talking about each other please.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2022 18:40:49 GMT
And I think you have a problem conflating students and visitors with migrant workers. And my Latvian friend is still here in the here and now, and still working. And still not claiming benefits. I'm not conflating anything - you can check the migration stats from the government and last year over a million people migrants came to the UK and only around 300,000 were on work visas. I suspect your Latvian friend is using the EU withdrawal agreement which gave grandfather rights to those already here. any Latvians coming now go through the normal immigration procedure the same as the citizens of every other country. You are right about my Latvian friend who came here as an EU national and was granted leave to remain and the right to settled status. However I do think many of those you are claiming to be migrants without work visas are actually students or visitors. Unless you can demonstrate them all to be on benefits in a council house somewhere? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2022 19:11:57 GMT
To avoid confusion please give the link where it shows which are immigrants/ second generation etc. Does not matter. If it is an ethnically specific group then if they include the new migrants that will boost the figures to the employed/economically active side. Does not matter if it is first second third or fourth generation. The point is that once you get past the first then proportionally as a defined group they are proportionally worse than our own layabout army; on average. Where is your data? |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 2, 2022 21:47:15 GMT
Does not matter. If it is an ethnically specific group then if they include the new migrants that will boost the figures to the employed/economically active side. Does not matter if it is first second third or fourth generation. The point is that once you get past the first then proportionally as a defined group they are proportionally worse than our own layabout army; on average. Where is your data? It is freely available on the ONS. Link to whatever you need from them to say it is not so. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 2, 2022 22:17:16 GMT
I'm not conflating anything - you can check the migration stats from the government and last year over a million people migrants came to the UK and only around 300,000 were on work visas. I suspect your Latvian friend is using the EU withdrawal agreement which gave grandfather rights to those already here. any Latvians coming now go through the normal immigration procedure the same as the citizens of every other country. You are right about my Latvian friend who came here as an EU national and was granted leave to remain and the right to settled status. However I do think many of those you are claiming to be migrants without work visas are actually students or visitors. Unless you can demonstrate them all to be on benefits in a council house somewhere? Students are classed as migrants - they can even bring in family members on dependency visas. You are free to construct your own criteria for classes of migrant but personally I prefer to use the ones that the government and all international organisations use. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 2, 2022 23:28:57 GMT
What are you talking about Pacifico. Anybody employed in the UK pays tax in the year he starts that employment. Tosh. Anyone who files a tax return is always 1 year behind. Yes, that's true, but PAYE is now paid in real time and has been for the last few years. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 2, 2022 23:34:47 GMT
Also there are now over 5 million people who are perfectly capable of working who do not work. And they don't work because they've worked out that they can live perfectly well by living off benefits. Benefits were never intended to be a lifestyle choice. They were meant to provide a basic living for people who had no alternative. You have confused economically inactive with fit and healthy. Not the same, so your point isn't quite right. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2022 7:03:36 GMT
You are right about my Latvian friend who came here as an EU national and was granted leave to remain and the right to settled status. However I do think many of those you are claiming to be migrants without work visas are actually students or visitors. Unless you can demonstrate them all to be on benefits in a council house somewhere? Students are classed as migrants - they can even bring in family members on dependency visas. You are free to construct your own criteria for classes of migrant but personally I prefer to use the ones that the government and all international organisations use. To conflate those coming to study with those coming to settle just to concoct a point is a bit risible. |
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Post by Toreador on Nov 3, 2022 7:05:29 GMT
Students are classed as migrants - they can even bring in family members on dependency visas. You are free to construct your own criteria for classes of migrant but personally I prefer to use the ones that the government and all international organisations use. To conflate those coming to study with those coming to settle just to concoct a point is a bit risible. Many of those coming to study have no intention of returning home. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 3, 2022 7:15:09 GMT
To conflate those coming to study with those coming to settle just to concoct a point is a bit risible. Many of those coming to study have no intention of returning home. That's our fault. We don't check whose left. |
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