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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 20, 2023 21:04:49 GMT
No,but if your reading skill we're better you would have realised that my point was about mechanisms, not EU citizens. 🙄 My reading ability is fine. I'd beg to differ, as you missed my point by a moonshot. |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 20, 2023 22:47:30 GMT
My reading ability is fine. I'd beg to differ, as you missed my point by a moonshot. You have no valid point. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Aug 21, 2023 6:40:41 GMT
No, you didn't understand it.
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 21, 2023 7:10:33 GMT
Andrew - what criteria are you using to decide that the Dublin Agreement, as a mechanism for removing failed illegal migrants, was a process that worked?
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Post by Orac on Aug 21, 2023 7:34:37 GMT
Andrew - what criteria are you using to decide that the Dublin Agreement, as a mechanism for removing failed illegal migrants, was a process that worked? My guess is he starts with the fact that it didn't work and tries to shift the goalposts. Let's see |
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Post by jonksy on Aug 21, 2023 18:42:33 GMT
No, you didn't understand it. I understood it perfectly...Thanks for your concern but I as well as you know your ideals are faux. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2023 20:47:33 GMT
I cant discuss this with someone who hasnt even read it. I end up discussing his imagination. It makes no odds if i read it, because my claim is that the realty of its implementation doesn't reflect the claim that it allowed a solution (for us). I also don't have to carefully read Star Wars to understand or argue that light sabers aren't real If you look at the stats, more people entered the UK under the Dublin agreement than those that were expelled from the UK. It was a net gain. www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/444/transfers-of-asylum-seekers-from-the-uk-under-the-dublin-systemAny argument it would now be solving our problems is utter nonsense. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 22, 2023 18:02:51 GMT
Andrew - what criteria are you using to decide that the Dublin Agreement, as a mechanism for removing failed illegal migrants, was a process that worked? Read under explanatory statement and summary of report, outlining the history of the efforts to deal wirh migrants, the reasons for the lack of success and an outline of the new proposed agreement. It is by no means a silver bullet but is still a start within the EU. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 22, 2023 18:07:16 GMT
It makes no odds if i read it, because my claim is that the realty of its implementation doesn't reflect the claim that it allowed a solution (for us). I also don't have to carefully read Star Wars to understand or argue that light sabers aren't real If you look at the stats, more people entered the UK under the Dublin agreement than those that were expelled from the UK. It was a net gain. www.migrationwatchuk.org/briefing-paper/444/transfers-of-asylum-seekers-from-the-uk-under-the-dublin-systemAny argument it would now be solving our problems is utter nonsense. Has it occurred to you that this is because relatively you take fewer migrants than other countries? The problem seems to be one of efforts to cleanse rhe population in the UK while the problem is sharing the inevitable load in the EU. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 22, 2023 18:09:08 GMT
It allowed ALL members to agree in qiotas of migrants to be located according tp current population, respurc3s etc. In that case it doesn't set to achieve what we need. We need a mechanism to stop them being in the country, not to manage and increase total load. The clear call of population cleansing. Impossible of course. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 22, 2023 18:43:18 GMT
In that case it doesn't set to achieve what we need. We need a mechanism to stop them being in the country, not to manage and increase total load. The clear call of population cleansing. Impossible of course. You were the one who suggested the mechanism allowed for significant deportation and that it was solution we had forgone. I take it you are retracting? |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 22, 2023 18:46:31 GMT
It still is that.
Why should i retract?
Tell you what. When the uk comes up with a better idea, get back to me. You dont seem to have cracked the problem so far.
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Post by Orac on Aug 22, 2023 18:56:41 GMT
It still is that. Why should i retract? Have you already forgotten that quite recently i refuted your claim by comparing it to reality? You seem to be suggesting the EU has a legal mechanism that allows, what you call 'population cleansing'. We really need to try to get to the bottom of what you think you are saying |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 22, 2023 19:33:42 GMT
It still is that. Why should i retract? Have you already forgotten that quite recently i refuted your claim by comparing it to reality? You seem to be suggesting the EU has a legal mechanism that allows, what you call 'population cleansing'. We really need to try to get to the bottom of what you think you are saying Maybe that is because you dont know what you are talking about. |
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Post by Pacifico on Aug 22, 2023 21:48:41 GMT
Andrew - what criteria are you using to decide that the Dublin Agreement, as a mechanism for removing failed illegal migrants, was a process that worked? Read under explanatory statement and summary of report, outlining the history of the efforts to deal wirh migrants, the reasons for the lack of success and an outline of the new proposed agreement. It is by no means a silver bullet but is still a start within the EU. That does not answer my question - as a mechanism for removing failed illegal migrants from the UK, did it work? |
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