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Post by oracle75 on Aug 11, 2023 15:35:18 GMT
Oh FFS. Stop deflecting. Just protect your own borders like you were promised by that arch bigot Farage. It was a key lie that was promised . Now do it. You didnt need the EU. So get on with it. I will try again. How can the British government stop hundreds of thousands of illegals leaving the EU state of France? I dont know unless you work WITH France and stop blaming them. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 11, 2023 16:27:39 GMT
I will try again. How can the British government stop hundreds of thousands of illegals leaving the EU state of France? I dont know unless you work WITH France and stop blaming them. The British government have already given the French £500 million in the vain hope they may start to police their channel coast. However, as we all know, Britain must be punished for Brexit. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 17, 2023 18:19:12 GMT
It would be really adult of you if you stopped repeating your endless persecution complex. You used to blame the EU for your problems. AND EVEN OUT, YOU ARE STILL DOING IT.
Just man up and deal with your own issues as you said you would. This lie is cowardly and childish.
France has no duty or obligation to help you protect your own borders. That is what you wanted. No one is punishing you. You chose to leave the community Now piss off.
Maybe if you stopped paying France anything and did what you boasted of, protect your own border, France could better use its police in the interests of its own.
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Post by wapentake on Aug 17, 2023 18:34:20 GMT
It would be really adult of you if you stopped repeating your endless persecution complex. You used to blame the EU for your problems. AND EVEN OUT, YOU ARE STILL DOING IT.
Just man up and deal with your own issues as you said you would. This lie is cowardly and childish. France has no duty or obligation to help you protect your own borders. That is what you wanted. No one is punishing you. You chose to leave the community Now piss off. Maybe if you stopped paying France anything and did what you boasted of, protect your own border, France could better use its police in the interests of its own. And you’re still doing it,shouting. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 17, 2023 19:31:44 GMT
Those with childish attitudes need shouting .
After all they got themselves into this position by ignoring quiet advice.
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Post by Bentley on Aug 17, 2023 19:46:12 GMT
Those with childish attitudes need shouting . After all they got themselves into this position by ignoring quiet advice. Quiet? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 17, 2023 23:33:06 GMT
It would be really adult of you if you stopped repeating your endless persecution complex. You used to blame the EU for your problems. AND EVEN OUT, YOU ARE STILL DOING IT. Just man up and deal with your own issues as you said you would. This lie is cowardly and childish. France has no duty or obligation to help you protect your own borders. That is what you wanted. No one is punishing you. You chose to leave the community Now piss off. Maybe if you stopped paying France anything and did what you boasted of, protect your own border, France could better use its police in the interests of its own. Are you suffering some sort of delusion complex? Have you somehow convinced yourself that hundreds of thousands of illegals are not actually crossing the channel, that it's all a nasty anti EU plot made up in England? I believe you are this deluded. Have you considered professional help. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 18, 2023 6:19:32 GMT
It would be really adult of you if you stopped repeating your endless persecution complex. You used to blame the EU for your problems. AND EVEN OUT, YOU ARE STILL DOING IT. Just man up and deal with your own issues as you said you would. This lie is cowardly and childish. France has no duty or obligation to help you protect your own borders. That is what you wanted. No one is punishing you. You chose to leave the community Now piss off. Maybe if you stopped paying France anything and did what you boasted of, protect your own border, France could better use its police in the interests of its own. Are you suffering some sort of delusion complex? Have you somehow convinced yourself that hundreds of thousands of illegals are not actually crossing the channel, that it's all a nasty anti EU plot made up in England? I believe you are this deluded. Have you considered professional help. No Have you considered reading lessons? If you dont like what the French AND BRITISH are doing on the beaches, stop the payments, get the foreign/british troops off sovereign French territory and deal with the problem yourself using your own sovereignty. How fascinating...voting for an imaginary principle that collapses immediately when it hits the wall of reality. And you already had what you now beg for...EU cooperation which is the only way to deal with this. So you get on with your sovereignty and leave us to get on with our cooperation. On a larger stage, it is pathetic to vote for sovereignty, leave with thunderous promises of a glorious future, and then beg to be allowed to keep the bits you like. You already got to keep trade deals brokered by the EU. Because i am not as generous as the EU i would tell the UK to sod off and stop begging and nagging. And THAT is the honest reflection of what the people and the administrations think of the UK. We dont want to punish you. We we want to be free to get on with our business but the UK is like something on the bottom of the shoe. Happily there is a growing sound of better attitudes across the UK than I see in here. I hear there has been gatherings to voice pro EU support and to rejoin. But as much as sanity and reality are finally emerging, you dont REALLY think that the EU will discuss this rejoining with the Brexit government (albeit it in its 4th metamorphosis) which encouraged leaving on the grounds of wanting very little if anything to do with the EU, do you?? The punishment for leaving was inevitably going to be felt by the UK. It didnt have to be meted out by the EU. The EU has passed no legislation aimed at hurting the UK. The UK already did that. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Aug 18, 2023 10:27:40 GMT
Are you suffering some sort of delusion complex? Have you somehow convinced yourself that hundreds of thousands of illegals are not actually crossing the channel, that it's all a nasty anti EU plot made up in England? I believe you are this deluded. Have you considered professional help. No Have you considered reading lessons? If you dont like what the French AND BRITISH are doing on the beaches, stop the payments, get the foreign/british troops off sovereign French territory and deal with the problem yourself using your own sovereignty. How fascinating...voting for an imaginary principle that collapses immediately when it hits the wall of reality. And you already had what you now beg for...EU cooperation which is the only way to deal with this. So you get on with your sovereignty and leave us to get on with our cooperation. On a larger stage, it is pathetic to vote for sovereignty, leave with thunderous promises of a glorious future, and then beg to be allowed to keep the bits you like. You already got to keep trade deals brokered by the EU. Because i am not as generous as the EU i would tell the UK to sod off and stop begging and nagging. And THAT is the honest reflection of what the people and the administrations think of the UK. We dont want to punish you. We we want to be free to get on with our business but the UK is like something on the bottom of the shoe. Happily there is a growing sound of better attitudes across the UK than I see in here. I hear there has been gatherings to voice pro EU support and to rejoin. But as much as sanity and reality are finally emerging, you dont REALLY think that the EU will discuss this rejoining with the Brexit government (albeit it in its 4th metamorphosis) which encouraged leaving on the grounds of wanting very little if anything to do with the EU, do you?? The punishment for leaving was inevitably going to be felt by the UK. It didnt have to be meted out by the EU. The EU has passed no legislation aimed at hurting the UK. The UK already did that. LOL, oh my word where to start. You are correct, I do not like what the French and British are 'doing on the beaches'. The French ignore illegals dragging dinghies down their beaches, the British escort them up our beaches and off to a 5 star hotel. Believe me, other than outraged clueless lefties no one likes it. Oh jeez, not this one again. This 'sovereign' French territory you speak of, where is it? I know deluded euro worshippers such as yourself refuse to accept this, France has no sovereign territory. Like all EU states sovereignty is ceded to the unelected, unremoveable and equally incompetent EU. Cant be bothered with the rest of your ill informed pro EU drivel. It's just same old same old. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 18, 2023 11:27:24 GMT
You are having a bad day as you display your ignorance so clearly.
Get out of France and deal with your own problems in your own independent way.
I am fed up with your whining and whinging and trying to find reasons why nothing is your fault.
Most adults grow out of that
As for your understanding of sovereignty, it that why the UK has to ask permission and pay France for the privilege of placing UK police on France's sovereign shore.
Answer...yes.
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Post by Orac on Aug 19, 2023 10:03:50 GMT
The UK used to have an agreement with France to return some . You voted that away with Brexit. Theoretically, but not in reality. France doesn't want them and (as far as i can see) can't be made to accept them and won't accept them unless made to do so. This is why 'cooperation with France' to do anything but move them into the UK is not going to happen. The downsides of having these people in your territory are so large, no government could ever sensibly choose it when it can be avoided. Processing them faster is also silly. Sensibly speaking they can't be deported with our current civil service and so this is just a route to forcing them in and increasing claims |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 19, 2023 11:02:56 GMT
The UK used to have an agreement with France to return some . You voted that away with Brexit. Theoretically, but not in reality. France doesn't want them and (as far as i can see) can't be made to accept them and won't accept them unless made to do so. This is why 'cooperation with France' to do anything but move them into the UK is not going to happen. The downsides of having these people in your territory are so large, no government could ever sensibly choose it when it can be avoided. Processing them faster is also silly. Sensibly speaking they can't be deported with our current civil service and so this is just a route to forcing them in and increasing claims What do you man " theoretically? It was called The Dublin Agreement abd was between EU nations. You voted out. You are no longer an EU nation. So you are not included. France has more asylum seekers themselves than the UK. France deals with them within 6 months by law. The UK's issues are a small nuisance that takes policing from doing other things for the improvement of France. I czn imagine the vitriol if the situation were reversed. I dont even have to write rhe script. Country of asylum is the country where an asylum claim was filed and granted. France refugee statistics for 2022 was 612,934.00, a 22.61% increase from 2021. France refugee statistics for 2021 was 499,914.00, a 14.64% increase from 2020. France refugee statistics for 2020 was 436,055.00, a 6.9% increase from 2019. www.macrotrends.net › FRA France Refugee Statistics 1960-2023 - Macrotrends Asylum applications. There were 74,751 asylum applications (relating to 89,398 people) in the UK in 2022.Feb 23, 2023 www.gov.uk › statistics › ho... How many people do we grant protection to? - GOV.UK 612,000 to 75,000. And you expect France to help you out? You told rhe EU that you didnt want to work with them anymore. 2.3 million migrants entered the EU in 2022. Now stop whingeing, put yourself un context and do what you voted for. Protect YOUR OWN BORDERS. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 19, 2023 11:11:38 GMT
Theoretically, but not in reality. France doesn't want them and (as far as i can see) can't be made to accept them and won't accept them unless made to do so. This is why 'cooperation with France' to do anything but move them into the UK is not going to happen. The downsides of having these people in your territory are so large, no government could ever sensibly choose it when it can be avoided. Processing them faster is also silly. Sensibly speaking they can't be deported with our current civil service and so this is just a route to forcing them in and increasing claims What do you man " theoretically? I'm saying that it didn't in reality provide a mechanism for the UK to return to France the large numbers of people entering the UK from France irregularly. In other words, it was theoretical and not real. |
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Post by oracle75 on Aug 19, 2023 11:21:35 GMT
Have you read it? home-affairs.ec.europa.eu/networks/european-migration-network-emn/emn-asylum-and-migration-glossary/glossary/dublin-convention_enIt was very real and has recently been updated. Without the participation of the UK. Question...why do you post such misinformation and deceptions when you can spend two minutes finding the truth? Do you know how foolish you look? It actually started in 1990 under the auspices of the UNHCR which the EU adopted. Now in its third (or fourth) life in the EU, it has been updated to take account of changing circumstances. You are not included. You wanted to protect your own borders. Well stop bothering France, stop paying another sovereign country for the help they can well do without giving , and get on with it. |
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Post by Orac on Aug 19, 2023 11:30:36 GMT
No. I never bothered because it is obvious from the relevant figures that it didn't really remotely provide that mechanism. There are probably various reasons why, but chief among them is likely to be a need for France's cooperation in moving people from the UK to France. Back to square one. If my claim is it is theoretical only and not real, you can't dispute this by pointing at the detail of the text - you would have to look at the results in reality. |
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