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Post by Bentley on Oct 31, 2022 18:19:40 GMT
They were sending domestics ( and porters)into infected rooms and advising them that a mask and a visor was enough . Those domestics ( and porters ) were carrying the virus( on their uniforms) into wards throughout the hospital . People died. This is apart from my remark about nurses in another post . "They" meaning Johnson and the Tories?
By they I assume the NHS, so what has that got to do with Johnson and the Tories?
They aren't baby sitters of the NHS, the Tories left the decision making to the NHS, if they fucked up why are the Tories to blame?
If Labour Starmer were government at the time and not the Tories they would still have the exact same NHS professionals, the NHS does not change staff and establishment ever time a new government leads the Country, they ALWAYS remain the same.
No.’ They’ meaning NHS management. What was out of the NHS managements hands was lack of PPE. That didn't excuse NHS management to ADVISE us with orders that could be fatal. One domestic refused and was sent home ….yup told to go home . He got his job back after the union got hold of it . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 31, 2022 18:22:53 GMT
Weighing up the evidence they found them guilty... No they didn't. They weren't on trial. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 31, 2022 18:24:52 GMT
At the time it took several days for the test results. Imo there was a clear choice between massive infection of general hospitals or massive infection in care homes. Bet you are glad you didn’t have to make that choice Instead they just dumped patients on to Care Homes they had already deprived of PPE. In at least one case they just dumped a patient in the early hours leaving the home with the choice of take them in or let them die of exposure. As a result of Matt Hancock's deplorable 'dump them' policy many died. He later claimed not to have been aware of asymptomatic transmission but the SAGE minutes the government tried to suppress, showed he either was lying or had recklessly chosen not to read them - well he was only Health Secretary FFS did he think it was the Defence ministry's job to read them on Covid matters? Looks a lot like Gross Negligence Manslaughter Total bullscrap there were thousands of ex NHS workers who would have worked for free. Just in this neck of the woods there were over 9k retired NHS workers who voluteered their services. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 31, 2022 18:39:48 GMT
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 31, 2022 18:43:28 GMT
Weighing up the evidence they found them guilty... No they didn't. They weren't on trial. Area yo6 sure they didnt provide an5 evidence have you got anything to baci thwt up |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 31, 2022 18:45:18 GMT
Yes they did but the usual wankers who run the NHS refused their help. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 31, 2022 18:51:16 GMT
When the Nightingale hospitals were built nobody really knew how bad this virus was , how it could be stopped or how many it would kill.
I think that the authorities were confident that it could be stopped eventually but even treating it was hit and miss( hence the rush to find as many respirators as possible )
I suspect that the Nightingale hospitals were to be partly or fully used to store the corpses tbh.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 31, 2022 18:55:31 GMT
Jonsky didn't you read my link 15, 000 ex staff worked in the NHS During the height of the pandemic
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Post by Handyman on Oct 31, 2022 19:05:04 GMT
The Nightingale Hospitals were erected just in case the worst happened and the NHS was totally overwhelmed which nearly happened, basically the last chance saloon that is why they put in place cold storage near to them for the dead.
Steve perhaps you do not understand when Covid arrived we did not have enough space in our ICU's nor enough ICU trained staff to run them that is why the Nursing staff worked such long shifts, and certainly not enough to man the Nightingale Hospitals as well, that is why they kept them in the Hospital ICU all in one place they took over other wards to accommodate all the patients with Covid, the NHS have never encountered a Virus like Covid before.
When it comes to Care Homes most of which are privately owned the owners of them were responsible for providing PPE for their staff, when it comes to the NHS down to the heads of the Trusts to provide them, the usual NHS PPE was not good enough to protect the ICU Staff in the Red Zone different PPE had to be sought and bought, which was not easy as every other country was trying to get it as well.
There is an Investigation into the Government's handling of the Pandemic currently underway to find out if the Government made any serious errors of Judgment, the sooner that runs its course the better
As for Hospitals dumping elderly people into Care Homes to free up NHS Beds again the private Care Homes have to agree to accept them as far as I am aware, my mother was fit to discharged from Hospital in April 2020, but it took until May to find one locally with a room available
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Post by see2 on Oct 31, 2022 20:12:15 GMT
The Nightingale Hospitals were erected just in case the worst happened and the NHS was totally overwhelmed which nearly happened, basically the last chance saloon that is why they put in place cold storage near to them for the dead. Steve perhaps you do not understand when Covid arrived we did not have enough space in our ICU's nor enough ICU trained staff to run them that is why the Nursing staff worked such long shifts, and certainly not enough to man the Nightingale Hospitals as well, that is why they kept them in the Hospital ICU all in one place they took over other wards to accommodate all the patients with Covid, the NHS have never encountered a Virus like Covid before. When it comes to Care Homes most of which are privately owned the owners of them were responsible for providing PPE for their staff, when it comes to the NHS down to the heads of the Trusts to provide them, the usual NHS PPE was not good enough to protect the ICU Staff in the Red Zone different PPE had to be sought and bought, which was not easy as every other country was trying to get it as well. There is an Investigation into the Government's handling of the Pandemic currently underway to find out if the Government made any serious errors of Judgment, the sooner that runs its course the better As for Hospitals dumping elderly people into Care Homes to free up NHS Beds again the private Care Homes have to agree to accept them as far as I am aware, my mother was fit to discharged from Hospital in April 2020, but it took until May to find one locally with a room available The need for reserve equipment for dealing with a Pandemic had been recognised decades before Covid 19 struck. Reserves were subject to regular up-dates. The Tories / Boris was informed in February 2019, a year before the pandemic struck, that the reserves were in a bad condition and needed replacing. The information was ignored. Add to that Boris' Herd Immunity approach and the Tories must take direct responsibility for many of the deaths in the early stages. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 31, 2022 23:11:34 GMT
Matt Hancock was not a medical professional, he wasn't in a medical professional capacity to make any decision on the health and well-being of thousands of 'individual' patients. That responsibility was left to the medical professionals in charge of the hospitals, the NHS is not a political party, it's a neutral establishment that is not (or not to be governed by politics). It was up to this professional body of people to instruct Hancock he was making a mistake. If they did not do their duty by making Hancock aware this was not the right thing to do, are we to conclude they were either incompetent or making a leftie political statement? Whether he was a medical professional or not the edict came from his office and he said it was because no one knew about asymtomatic transmission But he was one of the few allowed to see the SAGE minutes that were talking of asymptomatic transmission as early as January 2020 www.gov.uk/government/publications/sage-minutes-coronavirus-covid-19-response-28-january-2020/sage-2-minutes-coronavirus-covid-19-response-28-january-2020 |
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Post by Steve on Oct 31, 2022 23:16:33 GMT
They should have used the Nightingale hospitals as discharge buffers but they didn't want to pay incentives to staff them. Instead they just dumped patients on to Care Homes they had already deprived of PPE. In at least one case they just dumped a patient in the early hours leaving the home with the choice of take them in or let them die of exposure. As a result of Matt Hancock's deplorable 'dump them' policy many died. He later claimed not to have been aware of asymptomatic transmission but the SAGE minutes the government tried to suppress, showed he either was lying or had recklessly chosen not to read them - well he was only Health Secretary FFS did he think it was the Defence ministry's job to read them on Covid matters? Looks a lot like Gross Negligence Manslaughter Total bullscrap there were thousands of ex NHS workers who would have worked for free. Just in this neck of the woods there were over 9k retired NHS workers who voluteered their services. The well respected Kingsfund knows a lot more about healthcare than you or I and they say staffing was the issue www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2021/04/nhs-nightingale-hospitals-worth-moneyThe powers that be were also expecting staf to use infection riddled public transport to travel to those hospitals |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 31, 2022 23:24:04 GMT
Total bullscrap there were thousands of ex NHS workers who would have worked for free. Just in this neck of the woods there were over 9k retired NHS workers who voluteered their services. The well respected Kingsfund knows a lot more about healthcare than you or I and they say staffing was the issue www.kingsfund.org.uk/blog/2021/04/nhs-nightingale-hospitals-worth-moneyThe powers that be were also expecting staf to use infection riddled public transport to travel to those hospitals There were no public transport during lockdown. And there are not many people who do not have their own transport as it a bloody necessity in this day and age in many areas. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 31, 2022 23:46:16 GMT
There were no public transport during lockdown. And there are not many people who do not have their own transport as it a bloody necessity in this day and age in many areas. Thank you for proving you haven't got a clue with that 'There were no public transport during lockdown.' |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 31, 2022 23:55:59 GMT
There were no public transport during lockdown. And there are not many people who do not have their own transport as it a bloody necessity in this day and age in many areas. Thank you for proving you haven't got a clue with that 'There were no public transport during lockdown.'You are the one who hasn't got a bloody clue There were no public transport during lockdown if you lived in rural areas not everyone has the luxury of the tubes or trains. There isn't much public transport anyway in rural areas and private transport is a must. |
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