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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 31, 2022 17:37:28 GMT
It's a well known fact that care homes were sending the elderly to hospital willy-nilly, because of shortage of staff and awkward residence. Fairsociety yes that might be the case but once in the care of the hospital the responsibility lied with the hospital. And the high court ruled it was unlawful to send them back with out test and thats what there was doing. So what's that got to do with Johnson and the Tories, we know most of the times the High Courts are a fucked up out-dated establishments, the responsibility lies with the NHS trusts not the government.
Any serving government of the day be it Conservative or Labour remains the same, the NHS is a professional body of people NOT connected to governments, they are public servants, paid for by the tax payers, they are answerable to the UK tax payers NOT the government, so regardless of who is in power the NHS belongs to US the tax payers.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 31, 2022 17:39:09 GMT
Feel free to present your evidence of that theory. Feel free to present your counter evidence. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 31, 2022 17:39:26 GMT
Oh Bentley ive no idea when these tests kits were available.
But im sure the high court took into account how long it took for testing,.
When they made the ruling the Government was unlawful
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Post by Steve on Oct 31, 2022 17:42:13 GMT
Yes but the high court ruling was It was unlawful to send them home without testing the poor NHS IS open to thousands of comp claims now At the time it took several days for the test results. Imo there was a clear choice between massive infection of general hospitals or massive infection in care homes. Bet you are glad you didn’t have to make that choice They should have used the Nightingale hospitals as discharge buffers but they didn't want to pay incentives to staff them. Instead they just dumped patients on to Care Homes they had already deprived of PPE. In at least one case they just dumped a patient in the early hours leaving the home with the choice of take them in or let them die of exposure. As a result of Matt Hancock's deplorable 'dump them' policy many died. He later claimed not to have been aware of asymptomatic transmission but the SAGE minutes the government tried to suppress, showed he either was lying or had recklessly chosen not to read them - well he was only Health Secretary FFS did he think it was the Defence ministry's job to read them on Covid matters? Looks a lot like Gross Negligence Manslaughter |
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Post by Steve on Oct 31, 2022 17:43:14 GMT
Feel free to present your evidence of that theory. Feel free to present your counter evidence. I spy the classic intellectually bankrupt response of the caught out bluffer. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 31, 2022 17:46:46 GMT
Oh Bentley ive no idea when these tests kits were available. But im sure the high court took into account how long it took for testing,. When they made the ruling the Government was unlawful Now you do. There was so few testing facilities that suspected COVID patients were put into two categories. 1 suspected and awaiting results 2 confirmed . These tests took several days so many patients with COVID symptoms were effectively considered not to have the disease . Which is irrelevant if you just arbitrarily accept the high court decision ..because high court decisions are always correct , right? Because there can be no mitigating circumstances involved where those nasty Tories are concerned, right ? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 31, 2022 17:51:48 GMT
Matt Hancock was not a medical professional, he wasn't in a medical professional capacity to make any decision on the health and well-being of thousands of 'individual' patients.
That responsibility was left to the medical professionals in charge of the hospitals, the NHS is not a political party, it's a neutral establishment that is not (or not to be governed by politics).
It was up to this professional body of people to instruct Hancock he was making a mistake.
If they did not do their duty by making Hancock aware this was not the right thing to do, are we to conclude they were either incompetent or making a leftie political statement?
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Post by Bentley on Oct 31, 2022 17:52:00 GMT
At the time it took several days for the test results. Imo there was a clear choice between massive infection of general hospitals or massive infection in care homes. Bet you are glad you didn’t have to make that choice They should have used the Nightingale hospitals as discharge buffers but they didn't want to pay incentives to staff them. Instead they just dumped patients on to Care Homes they had already deprived of PPE. In at least one case they just dumped a patient in the early hours leaving the home with the choice of take them in or let them die of exposure. As a result of Matt Hancock's deplorable 'dump them' policy many died. He later claimed not to have been aware of asymptomatic transmission but the SAGE minutes the government tried to suppress, showed he either was lying or had recklessly chosen not to read them - well he was only Health Secretary FFS did he think it was the Defence ministry's job to read them on Covid matters? Looks a lot like Gross Negligence Manslaughter Do you have evidence that enough staff were actually available to fully staff the nightingale hospitals ? And you are aware that NHS staff aided and abetted the decision ? Did you realise that when you clapped them? maybe you clapped the nurses who were happy to send domestics into infected rooms without enough or correct PPE when they has some locked away? This is the problem with armchair arbitrators . Great with charts and minutes but remote from the actuality. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 31, 2022 17:56:14 GMT
Matt Hancock was not a medical professional, he wasn't in a medical professional capacity to make any decision on the health and well-being of thousands of 'individual' patience. That responsibility was left to the medical professionals in charge of the hospitals, the NHS is not a political party, it's a neutral establishment that is not (or not to be governed by politics). It was up to this professional body of people to instruct Hancock he was making a mistake. If they did not do their duty by making Hancock aware this was not the right thing to do, are we to conclude they were either incompetent or making a leftie political statement? They were sending domestics ( and porters)into infected rooms and advising them that a mask and a visor was enough . Those domestics ( and porters ) were carrying the virus( on their uniforms) into wards throughout the hospital . People died. This is apart from my remark about nurses in another post . |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 31, 2022 17:59:17 GMT
Feel free to present your counter evidence. I spy the classic intellectually bankrupt response of the caught out bluffer. The dildo of irony strikes again.  |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 31, 2022 18:02:10 GMT
Bentley like I said im sure the high Court decision would of been based on the facts the government laid before them.
Weighing up the evidence they found them guilty.
End off
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 31, 2022 18:03:32 GMT
Matt Hancock was not a medical professional, he wasn't in a medical professional capacity to make any decision on the health and well-being of thousands of 'individual' patience. That responsibility was left to the medical professionals in charge of the hospitals, the NHS is not a political party, it's a neutral establishment that is not (or not to be governed by politics). It was up to this professional body of people to instruct Hancock he was making a mistake. If they did not do their duty by making Hancock aware this was not the right thing to do, are we to conclude they were either incompetent or making a leftie political statement? They were sending domestics ( and porters)into infected rooms and advising them that a mask and a visor was enough . Those domestics ( and porters ) were carrying the virus( on their uniforms) into wards throughout the hospital . People died. This is apart from my remark about nurses in another post . "They" meaning Johnson and the Tories?
By they I assume the NHS, so what has that got to do with Johnson and the Tories?
They aren't baby sitters of the NHS, the Tories left the decision making to the NHS, if they fucked up why are the Tories to blame?
If Labour Starmer were government at the time and not the Tories they would still have the exact same NHS professionals, the NHS does not change staff and establishment ever time a new government leads the Country, they ALWAYS remain the same.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 31, 2022 18:06:14 GMT
Fairsociety you can try and pass the blame.
The highcourt ruled against the government with the facts presented to them by the Government.
End off
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Post by jonksy on Oct 31, 2022 18:14:05 GMT
So what was the Labour Party's excuse for doing exactly the same thing in Wales and the SNP for doing the same in Scotland? You really need to look at the numbers, they tell a different story.🤣 I see the covid enquiry want to see Boris's whatsapp messages during covid but drakeford refuses to have an investigation on his abysmal handling of covid in Wales... Now I wonder why that is? |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 31, 2022 18:14:37 GMT
Bentley like I said im sure the high Court decision would of been based on the facts the government laid before them. Weighing up the evidence they found them guilty. End off Nope. This is a political forum there us no ‘ end of’ ..unless you want to apply that to Brexit? Thought not.. |
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