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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 30, 2022 22:51:05 GMT
The Tories have overtaken the Opposition on defence, the economy and dealing with terrorism, according the Observer-commissioned Opinium survey. Despite experiencing one of the shortest poll bounces ever attained by a new PM, Sunak’s arrival in Downing St has already helped restore the Conservative’s reputation as the party for fiscal management. The news comes just days after a different poll revealed Sunak had overtaken Sir Keir Starmer in a popularity poll days after becoming PM. metro.co.uk/2022/10/30/poll-voters-would-rather-rishi-sunak-repaired-the-economy-over-keir-starmer-17664736/OK they're only polls, but anyone who thinks Labour are guaranteed to win the next election are dreaming. Sunak has only been PM for five minutes and already the polls are changing in favour of the Tories. Morgan will be thrilled  So on an niche set of subjects the Tories lead. But overall they still lag badly because on topics like the NHS, pensions etc they don't do so well Here is the Opinium poll the Metro referred to ''The Tories have enjoyed a poll bounce overall but still trail Labour by some distance. Labour has a 44% share of the vote, down six points since last week. The Tories are on 28%, up five points since last week.'Steve, Sunak has been PM for five minutes and already as far as the polls are concerned the trend is one way. This will be very worrying for Starmer. |
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Post by Steve on Oct 30, 2022 22:56:55 GMT
Oh yes definitely
Starmer had to posture to want the Trusstrerfuck merchants removed but his best hope of power was them staying in office for a year.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 30, 2022 23:08:04 GMT
BC, I disagree with you & srb. I think given a chance Braverman could be the Home Sec we desperately need. If she's strong enough to take on the head of the civil service who I believe is Simon Case, and win, she will have done more than any Home Secretary for a decade. We will have to see, let's not write her off after five minutes in the job. Yes, give her a chance. She seems to be being persecuted by the blob. She's an accomplished lawyer and no slouch. She wants to solve the immigration problem, to which I say, yes please. |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 31, 2022 0:31:36 GMT
Let's face it Labour should be walking this one, but Starmer is just another "World King" like Boris.
Nobody has a clue what he stands for. He was a supporter of Democratic Socialism under Corbyn, then he does a complete 180 and is now a Social Democrat.
His main policy seems to be to call for as many Tory resignations as possible till he wins by default, and he has backed himself into a huge corner by claiming he can make public services better by taxing anybody but "working people". Whatever the fuck "working people" is meant to mean.
People are sick of the Tories after 12 years, so I'm guessing it will be a Lab/LibDem/SNP coalition that wins by default... and we all know what will happen then... bye bye Scotland.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2022 6:53:12 GMT
Well Starmer's poll lead was large but it was also soft, based upon little more than not being the Tories. Which only works for as long as the Tories look shockingly shite, as they had begun to under Boris and did in spades under Truss. Any semblance of competence and reliability and Labour's poll lead will melt away. Which is actually a good thing from my perspective. The last thing I want to see is a Labour landslide under such an establishmentarian Blairite stooge as Starmer. I am rooting for a hung parliament with Labour having to work with others, the price being electoral reform. Re polling though. A week is a very long time in politics and it is still all to play for. Though I think Sunak has made a grave error in appointing the highly dodgy Braverman as Home Secretary and it is probably only the result of a grubby deal in return for her support in the leadership election. It totally undermines the credibility of his claim to integrity. I agree that Sunak definitely has to get rid of our bungling Home Secretary. Dunno what an earth possessed him to give her the job back  Their is plenty of other good Tory MPs who could do that job. Like I said, it was probably just a grubby deal in return for her support when he needed it. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2022 7:08:44 GMT
So on an niche set of subjects the Tories lead. But overall they still lag badly because on topics like the NHS, pensions etc they don't do so well Here is the Opinium poll the Metro referred to ''The Tories have enjoyed a poll bounce overall but still trail Labour by some distance. Labour has a 44% share of the vote, down six points since last week. The Tories are on 28%, up five points since last week.'Steve, Sunak has been PM for five minutes and already as far as the polls are concerned the trend is one way. This will be very worrying for Starmer. It should also be pointed out that under Sunak's predecessor, polling for the Tories was unprecedentedly bad, and Labour's lead unsustainably enormous. Polling had also consistently showed in the leadership campaign that the public liked and trusted Sunak far more than they did Truss, which the members stupidly ignored. So a polling bounce back under Sunak was almost inevitable. The question is, is that bounce back large enough to be a game changer? And the answer is no it isn't. At least not yet. The polls still show Labour on course for a landslide. The question is - is this the extent of the bounce? Or is it the start of a trend of ever narrowing poll leads for Labour, maybe even eventually leading to the Tories being ahead? And on that score only time will tell. It is too early to say now. But it is likely to be in the hands of Sunak. What he and his government says and does and how it behaves, who wins and who loses, is likely to be far more significant in it's impact on polling than anything Starmer says or does. |
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Post by Morgan on Oct 31, 2022 7:39:00 GMT
The Tories have overtaken the Opposition on defence, the economy and dealing with terrorism, according the Observer-commissioned Opinium survey. Despite experiencing one of the shortest poll bounces ever attained by a new PM, Sunak’s arrival in Downing St has already helped restore the Conservative’s reputation as the party for fiscal management. The news comes just days after a different poll revealed Sunak had overtaken Sir Keir Starmer in a popularity poll days after becoming PM. metro.co.uk/2022/10/30/poll-voters-would-rather-rishi-sunak-repaired-the-economy-over-keir-starmer-17664736/OK they're only polls, but anyone who thinks Labour are guaranteed to win the next election are dreaming. Sunak has only been PM for five minutes and already the polls are changing in favour of the Tories. Morgan will be thrilled I'd be thrilled if a few more posters like the intelligent ones on here ( So that's you out for a start.  ) realised that if posters don't support the present so called Tories it does not mean that they support Labour. Which you imagine are a bit like the USSR and go around torturing people to vote for them. |
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Post by jeg er on Oct 31, 2022 8:24:49 GMT
Let's face it Labour should be walking this one, but Starmer is just another "World King" like Boris. Nobody has a clue what he stands for. He was a supporter of Democratic Socialism under Corbyn, then he does a complete 180 and is now a Social Democrat. His main policy seems to be to call for as many Tory resignations as possible till he wins by default, and he has backed himself into a huge corner by claiming he can make public services better by taxing anybody but "working people". Whatever the fuck "working people" is meant to mean. People are sick of the Tories after 12 years, so I'm guessing it will be a Lab/LibDem/SNP coalition that wins by default... and we all know what will happen then... bye bye Scotland.what is wrong with that? |
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Post by thomas on Oct 31, 2022 8:29:58 GMT
Labour hasn’t been able to squeeze into the narrative . Kier is as much as an observer as you or me . Through choice. Keirs strategy is say little do little and hope the tories hang themselves.
Voters repeatedly say they dont know what he stands for , and even latest polls show sunak being preferred as pm.
I would say his strategy is extremely weak and fraught with difficulties , but only a GE will tell .
He is certainly not as polished as blair, or a tub thumper like kinnock , and i see little overall to commend the man as a politician never mind prospective pm and leader of labour.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 31, 2022 8:32:18 GMT
None of this is any surprise to me. Starmer's had an easy ride thus far, playing on the Tories obvious cock-ups. And they've given him plenty of ammunition.
But Sunak isn't going to do that and Starmer will have to compete on personality and policy.
Currently he has neither.
Plus he has a screaming horde of rabid lefties behind him, who won't be able to keep their mouths shut as the election approaches.
Plenty of time to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory.
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Post by thomas on Oct 31, 2022 8:35:21 GMT
Steve, Sunak has been PM for five minutes and already as far as the polls are concerned the trend is one way. This will be very worrying for Starmer. It should also be pointed out that under Sunak's predecessor, polling for the Tories was unprecedentedly bad, and Labour's lead unsustainably enormous. Polling had also consistently showed in the leadership campaign that the public liked and trusted Sunak far more than they did Truss, which the members stupidly ignored. So a polling bounce back under Sunak was almost inevitable. The question is, is that bounce back large enough to be a game changer? And the answer is no it isn't. At least not yet. The polls still show Labour on course for a landslide. The question is - is this the extent of the bounce? Or is it the start of a trend of ever narrowing poll leads for Labour, maybe even eventually leading to the Tories being ahead? And on that score only time will tell. It is too early to say now. But it is likely to be in the hands of Sunak. What he and his government says and does and how it behaves, who wins and who loses, is likely to be far more significant in it's impact on polling than anything Starmer says or does. The elephants in the room remain for keir starmer and labour. 70% of scotland wont vote for new labour , and in england ,its questionable wether half the popualtion or so who voted brexit are going to trust him enough to put him in number 10 and potentially take the uk/England back into the EU.
Thats before we even scratch the thin veneer of labours lead any further.
As you said before , you hit the nail on head when you said starmers lead is extremely soft and weak. Two years or so to go , anything can happen , but the elephants in the room will still be waiting on starmer and labour.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 31, 2022 8:46:59 GMT
I agree that Sunak definitely has to get rid of our bungling Home Secretary. Dunno what an earth possessed him to give her the job back Their is plenty of other good Tory MPs who could do that job. BC, I disagree with you & srb. I think given a chance Braverman could be the Home Sec we desperately need. If she's strong enough to take on the head of the civil service who I believe is Simon Case, and win, she will have done more than any Home Secretary for a decade. We will have to see, let's not write her off after five minutes in the job. The fact they are trying to get rid of Braverman indicates she's going to be tough, when you see the lefties flapping wanting her gone she must be making the right noises, they always want a HS that is swung to the left, the majority in the Civil Service are lefties, they need rooting out, they tried their damndest to cancel Brexit. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2022 8:49:07 GMT
You people are totally crackers.
It's like a gang of thugs come into your home and kill your grandparents, assault you wife, spray paint all over your walls break your sons' legs and refuse him medical attention, steal all your food, force you to give them your bank details and give all your money to their friends and then expect you to pay for the damage, while the gang leader stands round watches and orchestrates.
The next day the gang leader decides he doesn't want to be leader anymore, so they choose a new leader, who promises that they have learned lessons and they will try harder to get it right, freeing the old leader to join in the next attack.
They are still the same people, should we forgive them their crimes and give them another chance, because that is what it appears many of you are saying.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 31, 2022 8:57:34 GMT
You people are totally crackers. It's like a gang of thugs come into your home and kill your grandparents, assault you wife, spray paint all over your walls break your sons' legs and refuse him medical attention, steal all your food, force you to give them your bank details and give all your money to their friends and then expect you to pay for the damage, while the gang leader stands round watches and orchestrates. The next day the gang leader decides he doesn't want to be leader anymore, so they choose a new leader, who promises that they have learned lessons and they will try harder to get it right, freeing the old leader to join in the next attack. They are still the same people, should we forgive them their crimes and give them another chance, because that is what it appears many of you are saying. The only one crackers here is you.
To compare Johnson and the Tories with your scenario is quite frankly jaw dropping, no surprises there tho, you seem to have the same warped mentality as most lefties.
How do you feel about the Eco mob Just Stop Oil, who your scenario fits perfectly with?.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2022 9:06:46 GMT
You people are totally crackers. It's like a gang of thugs come into your home and kill your grandparents, assault you wife, spray paint all over your walls break your sons' legs and refuse him medical attention, steal all your food, force you to give them your bank details and give all your money to their friends and then expect you to pay for the damage, while the gang leader stands round watches and orchestrates. The next day the gang leader decides he doesn't want to be leader anymore, so they choose a new leader, who promises that they have learned lessons and they will try harder to get it right, freeing the old leader to join in the next attack. They are still the same people, should we forgive them their crimes and give them another chance, because that is what it appears many of you are saying. The only one crackers here is you.
To compare Johnson and the Tories with your scenario is quite frankly jaw dropping, no surprises there tho, you seem to have the same warped mentality as most lefties.
How do you feel about the Eco mob Just Stop Oil, who your scenario fits perfectly with?.
The Tories seeded Covid in care homes killing many people's grandparents. Shall I go on? |
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) realised that if posters don't support the present so called Tories it does not mean that they support Labour. Which you imagine are a bit like the USSR and go around torturing people to vote for them. 
