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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 31, 2022 9:09:43 GMT
No, please don't. You were wrong the first time.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 31, 2022 9:12:48 GMT
Labour hasn’t been able to squeeze into the narrative . Kier is as much as an observer as you or me . Through choice. Keirs strategy is say little do little and hope the tories hang themselves.
Voters repeatedly say they dont know what he stands for , and even latest polls show sunak being preferred as pm.
I would say his strategy is extremely weak and fraught with difficulties , but only a GE will tell .
He is certainly not as polished as blair, or a tub thumper like kinnock , and i see little overall to commend the man as a politician never mind prospective pm and leader of labour.
Corbyn had the same strategy and that didn’t go well. Imo Starmer doesn’t have a choice . The Labour Party stands for nothing except being anti Tory and identity politics and he has nothing to offer as a leader . Starmer has zero charisma and Rayner is another John Prescott . Sunak only has to do half well and the Tories will win the next GE imo. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 31, 2022 9:14:06 GMT
The only one crackers here is you.
To compare Johnson and the Tories with your scenario is quite frankly jaw dropping, no surprises there tho, you seem to have the same warped mentality as most lefties.
How do you feel about the Eco mob Just Stop Oil, who your scenario fits perfectly with?.
The Tories seeded Covid in care homes killing many people's grandparents. Shall I go on? And was aided and abetted by the NHS management. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 31, 2022 9:14:10 GMT
The only one crackers here is you.
To compare Johnson and the Tories with your scenario is quite frankly jaw dropping, no surprises there tho, you seem to have the same warped mentality as most lefties.
How do you feel about the Eco mob Just Stop Oil, who your scenario fits perfectly with?.
The Tories seeded Covid in care homes killing many people's grandparents. Shall I go on? The Tories never caused Covid
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Post by Bentley on Oct 31, 2022 9:21:45 GMT
The Tories seeded Covid in care homes killing many people's grandparents. Shall I go on? The Tories never caused Covid, and the same thing was happening world wide, we had to wait for a vaccine like the rest of the world, do you think the Tories are miracle workers?
Starmer was stunned mout agape without a clue how to tackle Covid, in fact to-date he hasn't the forggiest idea about Covid, you thought things were bad under Johnson and the Tories, thank your lucky stars it wasn't Starmer and Labour in charge, fuck knows what the death toll would have been, it's frightening even thinking about it.
I had the impression ( when I watched the London tv news) that there was a lefty narrative of ‘ bame’ people ( haven’t heard that term lately ) being somehow discriminated against concerning COVID and that people who worked on the buses and trains etc should be the first in line for COVID jabs) Although if you watch the London tv news there is a constant whine about black people somehow being ‘ discriminated against’ anyway). I’m pretty confident that a Labour government would have focussed more on that than protecting old people tbh , unless they were old ‘ bame’ people . |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 31, 2022 9:27:01 GMT
The Tories seeded Covid in care homes killing many people's grandparents. Shall I go on? The Tories never caused Covid, and the same thing was happening world wide, we had to wait for a vaccine like the rest of the world, do you think the Tories are miracle workers?
Starmer was stunned mouth agape without a clue how to tackle Covid, in fact to-date he hasn't the forggiest idea about Covid, you thought things were bad under Johnson and the Tories, thank your lucky stars it wasn't Starmer and Labour in charge, fuck knows what the death toll would have been, it's frightening even thinking about it.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 31, 2022 9:33:26 GMT
I had the impression ( when I watched the London tv news) that there was a lefty narrative of ‘ bame’ people ( haven’t heard that term lately ) being somehow discriminated against concerning COVID and that people who worked on the buses and trains etc should be the first in line for COVID jabs) Although if you watch the London tv news there is a constant whine about black people somehow being ‘ discriminated against’ anyway). I’m pretty confident that a Labour government would have focussed more on that than protecting old people tbh , unless they were old ‘ bame’ people . Yeah, apparently even the virus is racist. Who knew? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2022 9:35:43 GMT
The Tories seeded Covid in care homes killing many people's grandparents. Shall I go on? The Tories never caused Covid, and the same thing was happening world wide, we had to wait for a vaccine like the rest of the world, do you think the Tories are miracle workers?
Starmer was stunned mout agape without a clue how to tackle Covid, in fact to-date he hasn't the forggiest idea about Covid, you thought things were bad under Johnson and the Tories, thank your lucky stars it wasn't Starmer and Labour in charge, fuck knows what the death toll would have been, it's frightening even thinking about it.
The Tories may not have caused Covid and I don't believe anyone has said they did, so I do not understand your point. The Tories did however not act in time to limit it's spread in the UK by allowing our borders to stay open and that clown Johnson shaking hands with affected patients. I was talking to a bloke the other day who said it was Labour's fault because they 'demanded' the borders be closed and the Tories would not do what Labour wanted.😂 You're last statement is whatifery.🤣 |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 31, 2022 9:37:56 GMT
I had the impression ( when I watched the London tv news) that there was a lefty narrative of ‘ bame’ people ( haven’t heard that term lately ) being somehow discriminated against concerning COVID and that people who worked on the buses and trains etc should be the first in line for COVID jabs) Although if you watch the London tv news there is a constant whine about black people somehow being ‘ discriminated against’ anyway). I’m pretty confident that a Labour government would have focussed more on that than protecting old people tbh , unless they were old ‘ bame’ people . Yeah, apparently even the virus is racist. Who knew? lol  |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 31, 2022 10:55:53 GMT
The Tories have overtaken the Opposition on defence, the economy and dealing with terrorism, according the Observer-commissioned Opinium survey. Despite experiencing one of the shortest poll bounces ever attained by a new PM, Sunak’s arrival in Downing St has already helped restore the Conservative’s reputation as the party for fiscal management. The news comes just days after a different poll revealed Sunak had overtaken Sir Keir Starmer in a popularity poll days after becoming PM. metro.co.uk/2022/10/30/poll-voters-would-rather-rishi-sunak-repaired-the-economy-over-keir-starmer-17664736/OK they're only polls, but anyone who thinks Labour are guaranteed to win the next election are dreaming. Sunak has only been PM for five minutes and already the polls are changing in favour of the Tories. Morgan will be thrilled  I'd be thrilled if a few more posters like the intelligent ones on here ( So that's you out for a start.  ) realised that if posters don't support the present so called Tories it does not mean that they support Labour. Which you imagine are a bit like the USSR and go around torturing people to vote for them. Oh ffs who let him out? You know he'll eat his crayons without adult supervision. Morgan, be a good boy and go back to your room, nurse will be looking for you. |
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 31, 2022 11:30:22 GMT
The only one crackers here is you.
To compare Johnson and the Tories with your scenario is quite frankly jaw dropping, no surprises there tho, you seem to have the same warped mentality as most lefties.
How do you feel about the Eco mob Just Stop Oil, who your scenario fits perfectly with?.
The Tories seeded Covid in care homes killing many people's grandparents. Shall I go on? So what was the Labour Party's excuse for doing exactly the same thing in Wales and the SNP for doing the same in Scotland? |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 31, 2022 11:34:38 GMT
The only one crackers here is you.
To compare Johnson and the Tories with your scenario is quite frankly jaw dropping, no surprises there tho, you seem to have the same warped mentality as most lefties.
How do you feel about the Eco mob Just Stop Oil, who your scenario fits perfectly with?.
The Tories seeded Covid in care homes killing many people's grandparents. Shall I go on?You usualy do. How many did sturgeon kill? |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 31, 2022 12:24:24 GMT
I agree that Sunak definitely has to get rid of our bungling Home Secretary. Dunno what an earth possessed him to give her the job back  Their is plenty of other good Tory MPs who could do that job. BC, I disagree with you & srb. I think given a chance Braverman could be the Home Sec we desperately need. If she's strong enough to take on the head of the civil service who I believe is Simon Case, and win, she will have done more than any Home Secretary for a decade. We will have to see, let's not write her off after five minutes in the job. I agree give her a chance to get on with the enormous task in front of her, if she is not up to the task Sunak will not hesitate to get rid of her IMO |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 31, 2022 13:36:35 GMT
The Tories never caused Covid, and the same thing was happening world wide, we had to wait for a vaccine like the rest of the world, do you think the Tories are miracle workers?
Starmer was stunned mout agape without a clue how to tackle Covid, in fact to-date he hasn't the forggiest idea about Covid, you thought things were bad under Johnson and the Tories, thank your lucky stars it wasn't Starmer and Labour in charge, fuck knows what the death toll would have been, it's frightening even thinking about it.
The Tories may not have caused Covid and I don't believe anyone has said they did, so I do not understand your point. The Tories did however not act in time to limit it's spread in the UK by allowing our borders to stay open and that clown Johnson shaking hands with affected patients. I was talking to a bloke the other day who said it was Labour's fault because they 'demanded' the borders be closed and the Tories would not do what Labour wanted.😂 You're last statement is whatifery.🤣 What planet have you been living on since 2020? the Virus came from China and spread like wildfire nothing to do with the Tories or any other nations Governments, we knew nothing about it because the Chinese kept quiet about it, we now know that the Virus arrived here in late 2019 unbeknown to anyone, it was already spreading in the UK. The Government NHS did not know it was here until early 2020 when many started to fall ill, the Doctors did not know how to treat it they had to learn fast trial and error, specialists from around the world shared information with each other, As for the bollocks you came out with the Tories infected residents in care homes by putting people with Covid in them, more ill-informed crap the NHS were told to discharge people from hospital in order to have as many beds as possible knowing what was coming, that task was carried out by the heads of each NHS Trusts right across the UK. As far as I am aware no Doctor would have knowingly allowed any Covid infected person to be discharged to either their own homes or care homes if they had they would have been struck off for medical negligence |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2022 16:05:26 GMT
The Tories seeded Covid in care homes killing many people's grandparents. Shall I go on? So what was the Labour Party's excuse for doing exactly the same thing in Wales and the SNP for doing the same in Scotland? You really need to look at the numbers, they tell a different story.🤣 |
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) realised that if posters don't support the present so called Tories it does not mean that they support Labour. Which you imagine are a bit like the USSR and go around torturing people to vote for them. 
