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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 31, 2022 16:12:50 GMT
I know that the death rate in wales was lowe then England in a matter of fact it was lowest in uk.
And thats with a poor performing health service.
There no excuse that the majority of deaths in England care homes was down to government
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 31, 2022 16:18:47 GMT
The Tories may not have caused Covid and I don't believe anyone has said they did, so I do not understand your point. The Tories did however not act in time to limit it's spread in the UK by allowing our borders to stay open and that clown Johnson shaking hands with affected patients. I was talking to a bloke the other day who said it was Labour's fault because they 'demanded' the borders be closed and the Tories would not do what Labour wanted.😂 You're last statement is whatifery.🤣 What planet have you been living on since 2020? the Virus came from China and spread like wildfire nothing to do with the Tories or any other nations Governments, we knew nothing about it because the Chinese kept quiet about it, we now know that the Virus arrived here in late 2019 unbeknown to anyone, it was already spreading in the UK. The Government NHS did not know it was here until early 2020 when many started to fall ill, the Doctors did not know how to treat it they had to learn fast trial and error, specialists from around the world shared information with each other, As for the bollocks you came out with the Tories infected residents in care homes by putting people with Covid in them, more ill-informed crap the NHS were told to discharge people from hospital in order to have as many beds as possible knowing what was coming, that task was carried out by the heads of each NHS Trusts right across the UK. As far as I am aware no Doctor would have knowingly allowed any Covid infected person to be discharged to either their own homes or care homes if they had they would have been struck off for medical negligence Exactly, the government of the day be it Conservative or Labour rely on the professional NHS doctors who are ultimately the decision makers when it comes to who stays in hospital and who doesn't.
The beds were freed up during Covid for emergency admissions, if the elderly were sent back to care homes from hospital what the fuck has that got to do with Johnson and the Tories?
It wasn't Johnson job description to visit hospitals and tell them who should and shouldn't be sent home, that's what NHS staff are paid to do.
If they made blunders well I am sure we will all forgive them, it was unprecedented times and complete unknown territory, it's wicked to try to blame anyone other than the Virus for why people died.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 31, 2022 16:22:36 GMT
I know that the death rate in wales was lowe then England in a matter of fact it was lowest in uk. And thats with a poor performing health service. There no excuse that the majority of deaths in England care homes was down to government
And what's the population density in Wales?
(Clue: There are less than half as many people in the whole country as there are in London alone).
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 31, 2022 16:52:45 GMT
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 31, 2022 17:02:43 GMT
Lets see what the high court thought of the government ruling that they should send old people to care homes from hospitals
The high court ruling that sending untested patients into care homes in early 2020 was unlawful
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 31, 2022 17:08:09 GMT
That doesn't mean that it was wrong.
The alternative would have left them bed-blocking in hospital, which would have killed many more people.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 31, 2022 17:09:27 GMT
The North West of England has been the most affected area in terms of deaths at 26,767, followed by the South East of England with 24,729 ...
Talk about population density in realtion to deaths by covid
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 31, 2022 17:13:57 GMT
Lets see what the high court thought of the government ruling that they should send old people to care homes from hospitals The high court ruling that sending untested patients into care homes in early 2020 was unlawful It's a well known fact that care homes were sending the elderly to hospital willy-nilly, because of shortage of staff and awkward residence.
These care homes claim all this cash for the residence but after they spend so long in hospital the money stops going to the care homes, so coincidentally a week or two before the money was about to stop going to the care homes the care homes would have them back .... the Covid crisis highlighted the SCAM care homes were using and abusing hospital as a respite, while they kept raking in the money.
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 31, 2022 17:14:03 GMT
That doesn't mean that it was wrong. The alternative wothousandsleft them bed-blocking in hospital, which would have killed many more people. Yes but the high court ruling was It was unlawful to send them home without testing the poor NHS IS open to thousands of comp claims now |
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 31, 2022 17:22:19 GMT
It's a well known fact that care homes were sending the elderly to hospital willy-nilly, because of shortage of staff and awkward residence.
Fairsociety yes that might be the case but once in the care of the hospital the responsibility lied with the hospital.
And the high court ruled it was unlawful to send them back with out test and thats what there was doing.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 31, 2022 17:23:20 GMT
That doesn't mean that it was wrong. The alternative wothousandsleft them bed-blocking in hospital, which would have killed many more people. Yes but the high court ruling was It was unlawful to send them home without testing the poor NHS IS open to thousands of comp claims now At the time it took several days for the test results. Imo there was a clear choice between massive infection of general hospitals or massive infection in care homes. Bet you are glad you didn’t have to make that choice |
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Post by Steve on Oct 31, 2022 17:24:28 GMT
That doesn't mean that it was wrong. The alternative would have left them bed-blocking in hospital, which would have killed many more people. Feel free to present your evidence of that theory. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2022 17:26:01 GMT
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Post by totheleft3 on Oct 31, 2022 17:28:00 GMT
Bentley you can get test kits that can give instant results with out sending them off to labs
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Post by Bentley on Oct 31, 2022 17:30:22 GMT
Bentley you can get test kits that can give instant results with out sending them off to labs You couldn’t then. There was a huge shortage of texting facilities and the test results took days . I was there at the time . |
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