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Post by zanygame on Jul 7, 2023 17:04:09 GMT
13 years of austerity, Brexit good for the economy, can I assume the national debt was almost zero when Covid came? Are you trying to compete with Sid for comedian of the day?  No, you. Trying to tell us Labour could do worse than this sorry lot. Tory austerity raised public debt to 85% of GDP before Covid. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 7, 2023 17:14:15 GMT
Are you trying to compete with Sid for comedian of the day? No, you. Trying to tell us Labour could do worse than this sorry lot. Tory austerity raised public debt to 85% of GDP before Covid. No - massive public spending financed by QE raised the debt. It has also led to the present inflation problems we have.. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 7, 2023 17:16:28 GMT
No, you. Trying to tell us Labour could do worse than this sorry lot. Tory austerity raised public debt to 85% of GDP before Covid. No - massive public spending financed by QE raised the debt. It has also led to the present inflation problems we have.. That's HOW the debt was raised. WHY was it raised. I thought austerity was supposed to lower debt and Brexit bring its own bonuses as well. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 7, 2023 17:34:43 GMT
No - massive public spending financed by QE raised the debt. It has also led to the present inflation problems we have.. That's HOW the debt was raised. WHY was it raised. I thought austerity was supposed to lower debt and Brexit bring its own bonuses as well. Austerity would have |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 7, 2023 17:40:03 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 7, 2023 17:42:44 GMT
Without reading your link let me have a guess at who this 'thinktank' is - I forecast it is some left-wing. pro big government organisation that has never found an issue where they dont think more government spending would have cured it. How did I do? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 17:42:44 GMT
I would far sooner trust a potential Prime Minister who said that we cannot afford to do all the things we want to do, as against one who promised the earth. Its called Honesty With regard to The Green New Deal, the Labour leader has not abandoned the proposal, but ammended it in relation to the ammount of borrowing required, and since the proposals were put onto the table, UK borrowing costs have risen significantly, along with all general interest rates. If Starmer stook rigidly to the original proposals, no doubt there would be a thread on the forum entitled "where's the money going to come from". Labour and honesty lol Have you got anymore good jokes fiddles To be fair your lot are no better. Boris is as much of a liar as Starmer is. Both parties are riven with dishonesty, self-interested careerists, and both will say anything for our votes, whether they mean it or not. But I was one of the ones systematically lied to by Starmer in pursuit of my vote. I kept my ear to the ground in the party and can speak with more knowledge and authority on the subject than any useful idiot on the outside like Redrum. I knew he was lying to us at the time, many of us did, it was obvious to anyone in the know, and we knew exactly what he would do in terms of turning his back on all he promised once elected leader. And he did exactly what we knew he would do. But too many in the party, often those who never went to meetings and had little clue about what was really going on, allowed themselves to be taken in by his guff. Amongst armchair members who never got involved and were members purely as a badge of honour, naivete and wishful thinking was their hallmark. All Starmer had to do is tell them what they wanted to hear and they bought it. Even though many of we more active and better informed members knew damned well what he was up to. The fact that he has reneged on all his pledges and instead done exactly what we said he would do tends to suggest to me that we were right about him. But there are none so blind as those who will not see. There remain for me two essential facts in terms of my own political conduct going forwards. One is that I will never vote Conservative. The other is that I will never again vote Labour |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 17:48:01 GMT
I would far sooner trust a potential Prime Minister who said that we cannot afford to do all the things we want to do, as against one who promised the earth. Its called HonestyWith regard to The Green New Deal, the Labour leader has not abandoned the proposal, but ammended it in relation to the ammount of borrowing required, and since the proposals were put onto the table, UK borrowing costs have risen significantly, along with all general interest rates. If Starmer stook rigidly to the original proposals, no doubt there would be a thread on the forum entitled "where's the money going to come from". Are you having a laugh? Honesty? Starmer? The man brazenly lied to get elected as leader. I wouldn't trust anything he said. Saying we cannot afford this or that is just a case of trying to sound more credible to the public, and no way a sign of inherent honesty. The man will tell any lie to get elected and has already proven as much. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 17:52:18 GMT
Thats the issue - he did proimise the earth - to get elected. Once elected the promises vanished in a puff of smoke.. Cracker Sid - its the way you tell them.. When Keir Starmer was elected leader of The Labour Party in 2020, interest rates were 0.1% Today the Bank of England official rate is 5% The proposal HAS NOT been abandoned, the proposal has been altered or amended in view of changed circumstances, perhaps you believe Keir Starmer should stick to spending proposals no matter what, even if it risks squeezing other spenfing priorities, or a loss in confidence in the markets. By the way - How are Mr Sunaks 5 Promises doing ?, have the NHS waiting lists started to come down yet, what about growth in the economy ............. Oh dear It is indeed curious that the circumstances immediately changed as soon as he was elected leader and not a moment sooner, is it not? You really are kidding no one here. The man lied to get elected, it is blatantly obvious, and it requires quite a deep level of stupidity not to be able to see that. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 17:56:39 GMT
Is this a pledge he is intending to keep? - unlike every pledge the lying Toad made to get elected Leader.. Put your extreme bias to one side for a change, that way you are more likely to be able to see the truth. He may be a Tory, but at least his eyes and ears function well enough in cooperation with his brain, because when it comes to Starmer he can see the obvious too. Most of us can. Though clearly not you. Who seems to believe everyone who disagrees with you is biased but you are not, even though your pro-Starmer bias which is so blatantly obvious makes you incapable of seeing the truth. |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 7, 2023 17:57:51 GMT
Labour and honesty lol Have you got anymore good jokes fiddles To be fair your lot are no better. Boris is as much of a liar as Starmer is. Both parties are riven with dishonesty, self-interested careerists, and both will say anything for our votes, whether they mean it or not. But I was one of the ones systematically lied to by Starmer in pursuit of my vote. I kept my ear to the ground in the party and can speak with more knowledge and authority on the subject than any useful idiot on the outside like Redrum. I knew he was lying to us at the time, many of us did, it was obvious to anyone in the know, and we knew exactly what he would do in terms of turning his back on all he promised once elected leader. And he did exactly what we knew he would do. But too many in the party, often those who never went to meetings and had little clue about what was really going on, allowed themselves to be taken in by his guff. Amongst armchair members who never got involved and were members purely as a badge of honour, naivete and wishful thinking was their hallmark. All Starmer had to do is tell them what they wanted to hear and they bought it. Even though many of we more active and better informed members knew damned well what he was up to. The fact that he has reneged on all his pledges and instead done exactly what we said he would do tends to suggest to me that we were right about him. But there are none so blind as those who will not see. There remain for me two essential facts in terms of my own political conduct going forwards. One is that I will never vote Conservative. The other is that I will never again vote Labour I have never tried to uphold that the tories are not liars. They are politicians FFS. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 17:58:57 GMT
Thats the issue - he did proimise the earth - to get elected. Once elected the promises vanished in a puff of smoke.. Cracker Sid - its the way you tell them.. Once elected by the people who knew he was on the right of the party, he had the freedom and the obligation to do his best to steer the party to election victory. Yes priorities changed only the foolish would expect anything else. Still that totally biased extreme garbage mixer you use for a brain will continue to act daft over this exaggeration, so thanks for the laugh You appear to be something of a comedian yourself. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 7, 2023 18:01:48 GMT
Without reading your link let me have a guess at who this 'thinktank' is - I forecast it is some left-wing. pro big government organisation that has never found an issue where they dont think more government spending would have cured it. How did I do? Spot on. Would you expect a right wing think tank to admit that tax to GDP has shrunk. You can perhaps understand why debt has spiralled and spending hasn't.  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 18:13:12 GMT
When Keir Starmer was elected leader of The Labour Party in 2020, interest rates were 0.1% Today the Bank of England official rate is 5% The proposal HAS NOT been abandoned, the proposal has been altered or amended in view of changed circumstances, perhaps you believe Keir Starmer should stick to spending proposals no matter what, even if it risks squeezing other spenfing priorities, or a loss in confidence in the markets. By the way - How are Mr Sunaks 5 Promises doing ?, have the NHS waiting lists started to come down yet, what about growth in the economy ............. Oh dear When the nationalisation program was first enacted we had just come out of a world war and the country was broke - that didnt stop Labour's nationalisation program then. Going back to the Leadership election - what candidate should members have voted for if they wanted to see nationalisation reintroduced? She would not have been my ideal first choice necessarily, but of the candidates on offer, Rebecca Long-Bailey was the candidate who genuinely believed in the 2017 policies, the real Corbynism without Corbyn candidate. For that reason I voted for her. I would have preferred Dawn Butler or Ian Lavery, even John McDonnell, but they were not standing for leader. Rebecca was the only candidate prepared to face down the Blairites and if necessary fight them to the political death. Once she lost, they wasted little time in finding a pretext to sideline her as part of the witch hunt. In my former party almost everyone who voted for Rebecca is gone, a couple witch hunted out, the rest of us leaving in disgust. Genuine radicals, let alone socialists, no longer welcome. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 19:11:00 GMT
Without reading your link let me have a guess at who this 'thinktank' is - I forecast it is some left-wing. pro big government organisation that has never found an issue where they dont think more government spending would have cured it. How did I do? LOL The progressive economic forum. progressiveeconomyforum.com/council-members/ |
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