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Post by Pacifico on Jul 5, 2023 21:43:58 GMT
Running out of money? - sounds like the ideal time to have a Labour Government, after all they know all about that..  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 5, 2023 22:11:13 GMT
The last Labour government was in power for over ten years ( 1997 - 2007 ) running the country without excessive borrowing.
It was a double whammy which caused not only Gordon Brown, but many leaders to turn to borrowing to prop up banks, support the economy, and protect businesses and people from the worst effects of both the financial crisis and the recession that followed.
IF Labour win the next election, things are going to be tight financialy, but the priorities will be very different.
Conservatives by their very nature are not interventionists, they believe more in The Free Market and Market Forces, but Keir Starmer is determined to influence economic growth, one of his pledges is to create the conditions to make growth in the UK the highest in the G7.
Economic growth = increasing wealth, increasing revenue to the treasury
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 5, 2023 22:13:53 GMT
Conservatives by their very nature are not interventionists, they believe more in The Free Market and Market Forces, but Keir Starmer is determined to influence economic growth, one of his pledges is to create the conditions to make growth in the UK the highest in the G7.
Is this a pledge he is intending to keep? - unlike every pledge the lying Toad made to get elected Leader.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 6:10:52 GMT
Conservatives by their very nature are not interventionists, they believe more in The Free Market and Market Forces, but Keir Starmer is determined to influence economic growth, one of his pledges is to create the conditions to make growth in the UK the highest in the G7.
Is this a pledge he is intending to keep? - unlike every pledge the lying Toad made to get elected Leader.. Wouldn't you prefer him to 'adjust' his spending commitments before the GE rather than after the GE as the Tories do. Surely, waiting to see what his 'final' promises are, given the current state of our finances after 14 years of Tory rule, would be the sensible way to judge his word. Wait, sensible, sorry, you support the likes of Johnson, Gove, Braverman, Badenoch, Pincher, Hancock, Truss, Dowden, Shapps, Hunt, Sunak, Coffey.... to tell the truth. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 6, 2023 6:28:02 GMT
If he wasn't intending to keep to his pledges why make them? - perhaps simply that he is a lying toad.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 7:17:19 GMT
If he wasn't intending to keep to his pledges why make them? - perhaps simply that he is a lying toad. How do you know he wasn't intending to keep his pledges? Do you have his private number or is this just an assumption on your part? Have you never changed your plans because circumstances dictate? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 8:34:18 GMT
If he wasn't intending to keep to his pledges why make them? - perhaps simply that he is a lying toad. How do you know he wasn't intending to keep his pledges? Do you have his private number or is this just an assumption on your part? Have you never changed your plans because circumstances dictate? I was in the party at the time he was running for leader. Like thousands of others I didnt vote for him precisely because it was obvious he was lying to us. You could tell by the people he was surrounding himself with, typically people who had opposed from the start and throughout all the radical policies the kind of which Starmer was pledging to uphold. These people included Blair and Peter Mandelson as his advisors, both of whom viscerally rejected anything genuinely radical. Yes, it was obvious that he was lying to us at the time. Sadly though, there were many gullible fools in the party who took him at his word, believing in the radical policies under a more electable leadership - Corbynism without Corbyn in effect. They believed his lies and elected him and in many cases later came to regret it. It is those of us who knew he was lying to us at the time who have been vindicated by events. We knew he would do this and have been proven right. We know we were lied to and know therefore that he is little better than Boris Johnson when it comes to honesty. His words cannot be trusted. He is a proven liar. I for one have seen it from the inside, being privy to all the internal party debates. One reason he and his followers are so determined to witch hunt the likes of me out of the party (though most of us have already left in disgust) is that we know who and what he is. And will not be silent about it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 9:14:08 GMT
How do you know he wasn't intending to keep his pledges? Do you have his private number or is this just an assumption on your part? Have you never changed your plans because circumstances dictate? I was in the party at the time he was running for leader. Like thousands of others I didnt vote for him precisely because it was obvious he was lying to us. You could tell by the people he was surrounding himself with, typically people who had opposed from the start and throughout all the radical policies the kind of which Starmer was pledging to uphold. These people included Blair and Peter Mandelson as his advisors, both of whom viscerally rejected anything genuinely radical. Yes, it was obvious that he was lying to us at the time. Sadly though, there were many gullible fools in the party who took him at his word, believing in the radical policies under a more electable leadership - Corbynism without Corbyn in effect. They believed his lies and elected him and in many cases later came to regret it. It is those of us who knew he was lying to us at the time who have been vindicated by events. We knew he would do this and have been proven right. We know we were lied to and know therefore that he is little better than Boris Johnson when it comes to honesty. His words cannot be trusted. He is a proven liar. I for one have seen it from the inside, being privy to all the internal party debates. One reason he and his followers are so determined to witch hunt the likes of me out of the party (though most of us have already left in disgust) is that we know who and what he is. And will not be silent about it. Obvious? How did he have his fingers crossed? I didn't vote for Starmer and am waiting to see what happens when he becomes PM, if he does, and whether he follows through with his manifesto pledges. I have no gret love for Starmer but in all honesty, at present' he is all we have got, other than letting the Tories back in. |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 6, 2023 9:21:38 GMT
The last Labour government was in power for over ten years ( 1997 - 2007 ) running the country without excessive borrowing. It was a double whammy which caused not only Gordon Brown, but many leaders to turn to borrowing to prop up banks, support the economy, and protect businesses and people from the worst effects of both the financial crisis and the recession that followed. IF Labour win the next election, things are going to be tight financialy, but the priorities will be very different. Conservatives by their very nature are not interventionists, they believe more in The Free Market and Market Forces, but Keir Starmer is determined to influence economic growth, one of his pledges is to create the conditions to make growth in the UK the highest in the G7. Economic growth = increasing wealth, increasing revenue to the treasury The Labour Party was in power for 13 years not ten , Gordon Brown was prewarned about the impending global financial meltdown and did nothing which he still denies, Labour not only had to borrow money he lost money selling off some of the nations gold reserves because he told the world in advance what he was going to do, the price of gold went down. They also used taxpayer money to bail out the Banks, but also went on a spending spree , when they lost the election the Treasury Coffers were empty they had spent that much, that is why we had years of austerity to fill them again, if that had not been done, Covid would have hit us even harder, which we are still trying to recover from, it will take years, my grandkids will be paying for it for years. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 10:07:14 GMT
I was in the party at the time he was running for leader. Like thousands of others I didnt vote for him precisely because it was obvious he was lying to us. You could tell by the people he was surrounding himself with, typically people who had opposed from the start and throughout all the radical policies the kind of which Starmer was pledging to uphold. These people included Blair and Peter Mandelson as his advisors, both of whom viscerally rejected anything genuinely radical. Yes, it was obvious that he was lying to us at the time. Sadly though, there were many gullible fools in the party who took him at his word, believing in the radical policies under a more electable leadership - Corbynism without Corbyn in effect. They believed his lies and elected him and in many cases later came to regret it. It is those of us who knew he was lying to us at the time who have been vindicated by events. We knew he would do this and have been proven right. We know we were lied to and know therefore that he is little better than Boris Johnson when it comes to honesty. His words cannot be trusted. He is a proven liar. I for one have seen it from the inside, being privy to all the internal party debates. One reason he and his followers are so determined to witch hunt the likes of me out of the party (though most of us have already left in disgust) is that we know who and what he is. And will not be silent about it. Obvious? How did he have his fingers crossed? I didn't vote for Starmer and am waiting to see what happens when he becomes PM, if he does, and whether he follows through with his manifesto pledges. I have no gret love for Starmer but in all honesty, at present' he is all we have got, other than letting the Tories back in. I told you how it was obvious. The fact that he surrounded himself by and was supported by all those who had never believed in the sort of policies he was pledging to. And those of us who knew he was lying have been proven right by events since he has done exactly what those around him wanted him to do and exactly what those of us who knew he was lying said he would do. If he pledges to do X, Y and Z supported by a bunch of people who are totally opposed to that and we conclude that he is therefore lying and is instead likely to do A, B and C instead which is what his supporters want, and lo and behold he ditches X, Y and Z and does A, B, and C instead, then that tends to show that those of us who knew he was lying all along have been proven right. Everything that we said he would do, based on the premise that he was lying to us, he has exactly done. So you can pretend he is as honest as Jesus if you like, but the less gullible and/or culpable amongst us know better. And were you in the party at the time? And were you privy to all the internal debates? If not, what do you know! If yes, are you one of the gullible ones who believed all his guff? Or did you support him because you knew he was lying too but were in favour of what he REALLY wanted to do? Or are you going to cop out and claim you supported Lisa Nandy or something? Did you even have a vote? Were you even a card carrying party member? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 10:13:12 GMT
The last Labour government was in power for over ten years ( 1997 - 2007 ) running the country without excessive borrowing. It was a double whammy which caused not only Gordon Brown, but many leaders to turn to borrowing to prop up banks, support the economy, and protect businesses and people from the worst effects of both the financial crisis and the recession that followed. IF Labour win the next election, things are going to be tight financialy, but the priorities will be very different. Conservatives by their very nature are not interventionists, they believe more in The Free Market and Market Forces, but Keir Starmer is determined to influence economic growth, one of his pledges is to create the conditions to make growth in the UK the highest in the G7. Economic growth = increasing wealth, increasing revenue to the treasury The Labour Party was in power for 13 years not ten , Gordon Brown was prewarned about the impending global financial meltdown and did nothing which he still denies, Labour not only had to borrow money he lost money selling off some of the nations gold reserves because he told the world in advance what he was going to do, the price of gold went down. They also used taxpayer money to bail out the Banks, but also went on a spending spree , when they lost the election the Treasury Coffers were empty they had spent that much, that is why we had years of austerity to fill them again, if that had not been done, Covid would have hit us even harder, which we are still trying to recover from, it will take years, my grandkids will be paying for it for years. No fan of Labour but both the deficit and the national debt itself has ballooned under the Tories in spite of the fact that most services have been so cut to the bone that nothing works anymore. So where is all the pigging money going? Figure that one out and you might begin to realise whose interests the Tories really serve. And guess what? It isn't yours. |
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Post by Handyman on Jul 6, 2023 10:20:08 GMT
I have no faith in any of the Parties on offer, I can tell when Politicians are lying their lips move.
When I vote in a GE I vote for the party I think will do me and mine and my country the least harm, that is why I have never voted Labour in over 50 years , nor for the Lib Dems, I will see what is offer at the next GE and make my decision accordingly
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 10:44:53 GMT
The last Labour government was in power for over ten years ( 1997 - 2007 ) running the country without excessive borrowing. It was a double whammy which caused not only Gordon Brown, but many leaders to turn to borrowing to prop up banks, support the economy, and protect businesses and people from the worst effects of both the financial crisis and the recession that followed. IF Labour win the next election, things are going to be tight financialy, but the priorities will be very different. Conservatives by their very nature are not interventionists, they believe more in The Free Market and Market Forces, but Keir Starmer is determined to influence economic growth, one of his pledges is to create the conditions to make growth in the UK the highest in the G7. Economic growth = increasing wealth, increasing revenue to the treasury The Labour Party was in power for 13 years not ten , Gordon Brown was prewarned about the impending global financial meltdown and did nothing which he still denies, Labour not only had to borrow money he lost money selling off some of the nations gold reserves because he told the world in advance what he was going to do, the price of gold went down. They also used taxpayer money to bail out the Banks, but also went on a spending spree , when they lost the election the Treasury Coffers were empty they had spent that much, that is why we had years of austerity to fill them again, if that had not been done, Covid would have hit us even harder, which we are still trying to recover from, it will take years, my grandkids will be paying for it for years. If you read my post correctly, I made the point that before the financial crisis and recession, Labour ran the country without excessive borrowing, a period of ten years. No one was prewarned about the impending financial crisis, its origins were in the United States and governments in Europe first became aware of the looming crisis in early Summer 2007, it was Alistair Darling who first warned the country of a crisis on the horizon. Yes the Labour government did use tax payers money to support the banks, for which other governments and most economists PRAISED Gordon Brown for, including Nobel prize winning economist Paul Krugman in The New York Times. All of that money is now repaid back to the government - and at the time the Tories had no answers, except to criticise the government of the day. YES - the government at the time. led by Gordon Brown did go on a spending spree - to prop up the economy, help people, help business and support industry, these measures included the Car Scrappage Scheme and the Home Boiler Scheme. I suppose the Tories, if they had been in power, would have done what exactly ? ... Let the bank go bankrupt, let thousands of homes be reposessed, sit back and watch British industry go under. Like I stated ... the Tories at the time had no answers and they still dont |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 10:51:05 GMT
Obvious? How did he have his fingers crossed? I didn't vote for Starmer and am waiting to see what happens when he becomes PM, if he does, and whether he follows through with his manifesto pledges. I have no gret love for Starmer but in all honesty, at present' he is all we have got, other than letting the Tories back in. I told you how it was obvious. The fact that he surrounded himself by and was supported by all those who had never believed in the sort of policies he was pledging to. And those of us who knew he was lying have been proven right by events since he has done exactly what those around him wanted him to do and exactly what those of us who knew he was lying said he would do. If he pledges to do X, Y and Z supported by a bunch of people who are totally opposed to that and we conclude that he is therefore lying and is instead likely to do A, B and C instead which is what his supporters want, and lo and behold he ditches X, Y and Z and does A, B, and C instead, then that tends to show that those of us who knew he was lying all along have been proven right. Everything that we said he would do, based on the premise that he was lying to us, he has exactly done. So you can pretend he is as honest as Jesus if you like, but the less gullible and/or culpable amongst us know better. And were you in the party at the time? And were you privy to all the internal debates? If not, what do you know! If yes, are you one of the gullible ones who believed all his guff? Or did you support him because you knew he was lying too but were in favour of what he REALLY wanted to do? Or are you going to cop out and claim you supported Lisa Nandy or something? Did you even have a vote? Were you even a card carrying party member? You made the point that "It was obvious he did not intend to keep to his pledges" at the time of making the pledges, the only way you could make that claim is if he had said to you he was going to break his pledges, so you are making it up. I did not say he was honest, I have said I will wait and see his manifesto before making my mind up. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2023 10:52:20 GMT
I have no faith in any of the Parties on offer, I can tell when Politicians are lying their lips move. When I vote in a GE I vote for the party I think will do me and mine and my country the least harm, that is why I have never voted Labour in over 50 years , nor for the Lib Dems, I will see what is offer at the next GE and make my decision accordingly I am glad you did not vote in the year Labour got into power and started the NHS, aren't you? |
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