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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 7:55:13 GMT
Rubbish. It was obvious he was lying to us by the company he kept. And so it has proved. Some of us were evidently far less gullible than you and knew when we were being lied to. "He was lying by the company he kept" are you joking?  ? "There were no parties" - that's a lie. "We cannot afford to nationalise everything" is a pragmatic change of mind. Can you not see the difference between a lie and common sense. You and your ilk would be all over him if he promised things we cannot afford but when he 'cuts his cloth' you call him a liar. That's just stupid. Who the hell are you trying to kid? It was obvious he was lying from the start and anyone with half a brain could have seen it. Especially those of us on the inside as you seemingly were not. Why else would all those who viscerally opposed his pledges still flocking around him? Fact is he lied to get elected then quickly started breaking every pledge once in as it was obvious he was going to do. Some of us could see it coming a mile off because we understood what he was up to. But others fell into the gullible fool camp and have clearly still not ventured out of that particular campsite. And if it really were just a case of him rowing back on nationalisation there might be a good argument in favour of a pragmatic change of mind, but it is almost everything he promised. And where and in what context did I ever say "there were no parties"? Are you indulging in selective quoting of partial sentences to make it appear I was saying something I didnt? Or just making shit up? I don't even know if you are talking about Downing St parties which clearly happened, or political parties which clearly exist. If I said any such thing as the quote you attributed to me, have the honesty to quote the whole thing so that I know what the fuck you are talking about. I have no time to go looking now as I need to go to work. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 8:01:48 GMT
"He was lying by the company he kept" are you joking? ? "There were no parties" - that's a lie. "We cannot afford to nationalise everything" is a pragmatic change of mind. Can you not see the difference between a lie and common sense. You and your ilk would be all over him if he promised things we cannot afford but when he 'cuts his cloth' you call him a liar. That's just stupid. Who the hell are you trying to kid? It was obvious he was lying from the start and anyone with half a brain could have seen it. Especially those of us on the inside as you seemingly were not. Why else would all those who viscerally opposed his pledges still flocking around him? Fact is he lied to get elected then quickly started breaking every pledge once in as it was obvious he was going to do. Some of us could see it coming a mile off because we understood what he was up to. But others fell into the gullible fool camp and have clearly still not ventured out of that particular campsite. And if it really were just a case of him rowing back on nationalisation there might be a good argument in favour of a pragmatic change of mind, but it is almost everything he promised. And where and in what context did I ever say "there were no parties"? Are you indulging in selective quoting of partial sentences to make it appear I was saying something I didnt? Or just making shit up? I don't even know if you are talking about Downing St parties which clearly happened, or political parties which clearly exist. If I said any such thing as the quote you attributed to me, have the honesty to quote the whole thing so that I know what the fuck you are talking about. I have no time to go looking now as I need to go to work. There's that word again 'obvious'. I agree he 'promised' things that are no longer possible in the short term given the state of public finances now to then. If you said you would buy a car from someone for £5000 but found you had to use that £5000 to pay your increased mortgage, would you borrow money to buy the car? |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 9:37:21 GMT
I would far sooner trust a potential Prime Minister who said that we cannot afford to do all the things we want to do, as against one who promised the earth.
Its called Honesty
With regard to The Green New Deal, the Labour leader has not abandoned the proposal, but ammended it in relation to the ammount of borrowing required, and since the proposals were put onto the table, UK borrowing costs have risen significantly, along with all general interest rates.
If Starmer stook rigidly to the original proposals, no doubt there would be a thread on the forum entitled "where's the money going to come from".
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Post by jonksy on Jul 7, 2023 9:40:29 GMT
I would far sooner trust a potential Prime Minister who said that we cannot afford to do all the things we want to do, as against one who promised the earth. Its called Honesty With regard to The Green New Deal, the Labour leader has not abandoned the proposal, but ammended it in relation to the ammount of borrowing required, and since the proposals were put onto the table, UK borrowing costs have risen significantly, along with all general interest rates. If Starmer stook rigidly to the original proposals, no doubt there would be a thread on the forum entitled "where's the money going to come from". Labour and honesty lol Have you got anymore good jokes fiddles |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 10:08:43 GMT
I would far sooner trust a potential Prime Minister who said that we cannot afford to do all the things we want to do, as against one who promised the earth. Its called Honesty With regard to The Green New Deal, the Labour leader has not abandoned the proposal, but ammended it in relation to the ammount of borrowing required, and since the proposals were put onto the table, UK borrowing costs have risen significantly, along with all general interest rates. If Starmer stook rigidly to the original proposals, no doubt there would be a thread on the forum entitled "where's the money going to come from". Labour and honesty lol Have you got anymore good jokes fiddles I believe you think you are a wit unfortunately you are only half right. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 7, 2023 10:37:27 GMT
I would far sooner trust a potential Prime Minister who said that we cannot afford to do all the things we want to do, as against one who promised the earth. Thats the issue - he did proimise the earth - to get elected. Once elected the promises vanished in a puff of smoke.. Cracker Sid - its the way you tell them..  |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 11:10:10 GMT
I would far sooner trust a potential Prime Minister who said that we cannot afford to do all the things we want to do, as against one who promised the earth. Thats the issue - he did proimise the earth - to get elected. Once elected the promises vanished in a puff of smoke.. Cracker Sid - its the way you tell them.. When Keir Starmer was elected leader of The Labour Party in 2020, interest rates were 0.1% Today the Bank of England official rate is 5% The proposal HAS NOT been abandoned, the proposal has been altered or amended in view of changed circumstances, perhaps you believe Keir Starmer should stick to spending proposals no matter what, even if it risks squeezing other spenfing priorities, or a loss in confidence in the markets. By the way - How are Mr Sunaks 5 Promises doing ?, have the NHS waiting lists started to come down yet, what about growth in the economy ............. Oh dear |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 7, 2023 11:11:53 GMT
I would far sooner trust a potential Prime Minister who said that we cannot afford to do all the things we want to do, as against one who promised the earth. Thats the issue - he did proimise the earth - to get elected. Once elected the promises vanished in a puff of smoke.. Cracker Sid - its the way you tell them.. That made my Friday lol. Yesterday was a good day too I had a tax rebate.. I guess something will come along to spoil it....lol |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 12:07:33 GMT
Thats the issue - he did proimise the earth - to get elected. Once elected the promises vanished in a puff of smoke.. Cracker Sid - its the way you tell them.. That made my Friday lol. Yesterday was a good day too I had a tax rebate.. I guess something will come along to spoil it....lol Scrounger. |
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Post by jonksy on Jul 7, 2023 12:14:42 GMT
That made my Friday lol. Yesterday was a good day too I had a tax rebate.. I guess something will come along to spoil it....lol Yes you are woke wonky. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 7, 2023 15:03:27 GMT
Conservatives by their very nature are not interventionists, they believe more in The Free Market and Market Forces, but Keir Starmer is determined to influence economic growth, one of his pledges is to create the conditions to make growth in the UK the highest in the G7.
Is this a pledge he is intending to keep? - unlike every pledge the lying Toad made to get elected Leader.. Put your extreme bias to one side for a change, that way you are more likely to be able to see the truth. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 7, 2023 15:09:46 GMT
I would far sooner trust a potential Prime Minister who said that we cannot afford to do all the things we want to do, as against one who promised the earth. Thats the issue - he did proimise the earth - to get elected. Once elected the promises vanished in a puff of smoke.. Cracker Sid - its the way you tell them.. Once elected by the people who knew he was on the right of the party, he had the freedom and the obligation to do his best to steer the party to election victory. Yes priorities changed only the foolish would expect anything else. Still that totally biased extreme garbage mixer you use for a brain will continue to act daft over this exaggeration, so thanks for the laugh |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 7, 2023 15:43:47 GMT
Running out of money? - sounds like the ideal time to have a Labour Government, after all they know all about that.. 13 years of austerity, Brexit good for the economy, can I assume the national debt was almost zero when Covid came? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 7, 2023 16:52:40 GMT
Thats the issue - he did proimise the earth - to get elected. Once elected the promises vanished in a puff of smoke.. Cracker Sid - its the way you tell them.. When Keir Starmer was elected leader of The Labour Party in 2020, interest rates were 0.1% Today the Bank of England official rate is 5% The proposal HAS NOT been abandoned, the proposal has been altered or amended in view of changed circumstances, perhaps you believe Keir Starmer should stick to spending proposals no matter what, even if it risks squeezing other spenfing priorities, or a loss in confidence in the markets. By the way - How are Mr Sunaks 5 Promises doing ?, have the NHS waiting lists started to come down yet, what about growth in the economy ............. Oh dear When the nationalisation program was first enacted we had just come out of a world war and the country was broke - that didnt stop Labour's nationalisation program then. Going back to the Leadership election - what candidate should members have voted for if they wanted to see nationalisation reintroduced? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 7, 2023 16:53:55 GMT
Running out of money? - sounds like the ideal time to have a Labour Government, after all they know all about that.. Brexit good for the economy, can I assume the national debt was almost zero when Covid came? Are you trying to compete with Sid for comedian of the day? |
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