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Post by Red Rackham on Jul 7, 2023 19:27:50 GMT
Without reading your link let me have a guess at who this 'thinktank' is - I forecast it is some left-wing. pro big government organisation that has never found an issue where they dont think more government spending would have cured it. How did I do?  LOL The progressive economic forum. progressiveeconomyforum.com/council-members/LOL indeed, replace 'progressive' with Champagne Socialist. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 7, 2023 20:17:47 GMT
LOL indeed, replace 'progressive' with Champagne Socialist. Do you mind! 😅. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2023 21:47:14 GMT
LOL indeed, replace 'progressive' with Champagne Socialist. Seeing the two words together like that just reeks of fascism. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jul 8, 2023 6:42:45 GMT
Without reading your link let me have a guess at who this 'thinktank' is - I forecast it is some left-wing. pro big government organisation that has never found an issue where they dont think more government spending would have cured it. How did I do? Spot on. Would you expect a right wing think tank to admit that tax to GDP has shrunk. You can perhaps understand why debt has spiralled and spending hasn't. Well spending has obviously spiraled - for the past 13 years the government has spent more than any year of the Tony Blair administration except one. And I never heard anyone criticising New Labour for imposing austerity. As to you choice of sources - I would be shocked, shocked I tell ya, to see a thinktank that was set up specifically to lobby for higher public spending not claiming that public spending was too low.... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 8:25:14 GMT
Monetary terms or REAL TERMS ?
Three factors have changed the economic landscape (1) inflation (2) year on year growth (compounded) (3) population increase.
There is absolutely no way that the Tories since coming to power have spent more money in REAL TERMS, than under Tony Blair.
But they may have spent more in numbers - A Mini Cooper new in 1965 was around £500.00, a new Mini today would set you back 40 times that price.
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Post by see2 on Jul 8, 2023 8:34:01 GMT
Put your extreme bias to one side for a change, that way you are more likely to be able to see the truth. He may be a Tory, but at least his eyes and ears function well enough in cooperation with his brain, because when it comes to Starmer he can see the obvious too. Most of us can. Though clearly not you. Who seems to believe everyone who disagrees with you is biased but you are not, even though your pro-Starmer bias which is so blatantly obvious makes you incapable of seeing the truth. Ha ha, Pacifico is certainly biased, but you will support anyone who attacks Starmer, and all because the hard-left policies of Old Labour dumped them on the opposition benches again. Proving the need for fresh thinking about what the electorate actually want from an opposition party. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 8, 2023 8:38:21 GMT
Spot on. Would you expect a right wing think tank to admit that tax to GDP has shrunk. You can perhaps understand why debt has spiralled and spending hasn't. Well spending has obviously spiraled - for the past 13 years the government has spent more than any year of the Tony Blair administration except one. And I never heard anyone criticising New Labour for imposing austerity. As to you choice of sources - I would be shocked, shocked I tell ya, to see a thinktank that was set up specifically to lobby for higher public spending not claiming that public spending was too low.... Spending has reduced in real terms in pretty much every pubic body. So where has all the borrowing gone? |
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Post by see2 on Jul 8, 2023 8:38:57 GMT
LOL indeed, replace 'progressive' with Champagne Socialist. With educated and informed personnel, the escape route from typical Tory insinuation and denigration as shown in your post. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 8, 2023 8:42:35 GMT
Spot on. Would you expect a right wing think tank to admit that tax to GDP has shrunk. You can perhaps understand why debt has spiralled and spending hasn't. Well spending has obviously spiraled - for the past 13 years the government has spent more than any year of the Tony Blair administration except one. And I never heard anyone criticising New Labour for imposing austerity. As to you choice of sources - I would be shocked, shocked I tell ya, to see a thinktank that was set up specifically to lobby for higher public spending not claiming that public spending was too low.... That's because they didn't. It was the Tories that imposed 8 or 9 years of austerity. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 8, 2023 8:46:41 GMT
LOL indeed, replace 'progressive' with Champagne Socialist. With educated and informed personnel, the escape route from typical Tory insinuation and denigration as shown in your post. Not even sure they know what a champagne socialist is, apart from a supposed insult. Logically its someone with wealth who has socialist views and cares about the poor. Hardly an insult, more praise. |
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Post by see2 on Jul 8, 2023 9:02:21 GMT
With educated and informed personnel, the escape route from typical Tory insinuation and denigration as shown in your post. Not even sure they know what a champagne socialist is, apart from a supposed insult. Logically its someone with wealth who has socialist views and cares about the poor. Hardly an insult, more praise. Yes, its the never ending Tory process of insinuation. And they have got away with it for far too long. |
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Post by zanygame on Jul 8, 2023 9:10:39 GMT
Not even sure they know what a champagne socialist is, apart from a supposed insult. Logically its someone with wealth who has socialist views and cares about the poor. Hardly an insult, more praise. Yes, its the never ending Tory process of insinuation. And they have got away with it for far too long. Sadly, its because the audience loves it. It doesn't matter how many times you point out the FACT that we spend less per population on our health care than other equally wealthy countries, they will still insist the reason its failing is because its a public body. They nearly won this time round, like the water companies they starved them of funds until they were wrecks. Privatised them and then put the bills up by 20%. Even now when they are pumping raw sewage into the rivers 24 years later, they still refer you back to when it was a public service as ALWAYS forget to mention it was running on 20% less money. My only explanation is that they SO want it to be true. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 8, 2023 9:33:51 GMT
I always think of it as a derogatory term, it implies that wealthy people should not be "socialists", but why shouldn't they. ?
Are there wealthy Christians ?
Is it wrong even for a rich person to want Social Justice or a society where a more moral form of capitalism is persued.
For me personaly I am relatively well off, worked hard all my life, now semi retired, no rent to pay, no mortgage, no financial worries. But I never forget who I am, and where I came from, brought up on a council estate and proud of the fact.
Its not all about ME, its about other people too .... hence the reason why I could never, ever vote Tory
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Post by Bentley on Jul 8, 2023 9:44:37 GMT
Socialism…political and economic theory of social organization which advocates that the means of production, distribution, and exchange should be owned or regulated by the…….. community as a whole.
There are no rich socialists.
Christ .. it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle than for a rich man to enter the kingdom of God.”
There are no rich Christians .
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Post by Fairsociety on Jul 8, 2023 9:48:36 GMT
Definition of a champagne socialist = Tony Blair.
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