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Post by thomas on Jun 25, 2023 10:36:18 GMT
Except of course that is how they became unemployable in the first place. LOL sure sheepy but with the westmisnter party system , and two cheeks of the same arse stitch up , they never really become unemployable do they? Until the day folk stop voting labour or tory , nothing much changes.
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Post by sheepy on Jun 25, 2023 10:38:29 GMT
Except of course that is how they became unemployable in the first place. LOL sure sheepy but with the westmisnter party system , and two cheeks of the same arse stitch up , they never really become unemployable do they? Until the day folk stop voting labour or tory , nothing much changes. Sure, but when they did, they promised they were reformed characters, like anybody actually who they hadn't put on the mental health crisis believed that.
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 25, 2023 10:55:22 GMT
You clearly didn't know the score. That's why 3 people are having to explain to you the impossibility of making it a once only vote. We leavers knew exactly what the score was Zany. You keep posting the same bs adds nothing to the thread you started. You clearly don't know the score, Jonks. You will need to get an injunction if you wish to stop another referendum. There will probably be all sorts of Brexiter-initiated crowdfunding schemes to pay for such an injunction. If you feel so strongly about it, why not take out a second mortgage to support it? You will lose, of course. The Supreme Court will simply say that it doesn't have the power to stop such a referendum, because a new referendum has constitutional warrant. It'll be an expensive lesson for you, but you won't forget it in a hurry. Best of luck!
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 25, 2023 13:28:41 GMT
So after being made to wait 41 years for your democratic moment, you would like to impose the same non democracy yourself? That's only fair.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 25, 2023 13:35:57 GMT
We leavers knew exactly what the score was Zany. You keep posting the same bs adds nothing to the thread you started. You clearly don't know the score, Jonks.You will need to get an injunction if you wish to stop another referendum. There will probably be all sorts of Brexiter-initiated crowdfunding schemes to pay for such an injunction. If you feel so strongly about it, why not take out a second mortgage to support it? You will lose, of course. The Supreme Court will simply say that it doesn't have the power to stop such a referendum, because a new referendum has constitutional warrant. It'll be an expensive lesson for you, but you won't forget it in a hurry. Best of luck! But I do know the score darleeeeen and so do the others who voted leave. We were under no illusions when we voted that if we got our way the remain brigade would throw every lie, every obstacle and every chance to use their childish rants and idelogy towards us...And here we are 7 years later and your are still tossing your toys out of the pram.
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 25, 2023 13:35:59 GMT
People still hellbent on defying the myths Brexit has failed. Deary me. They want us to go crawling back to the EU with cap in hand. The EU will oblige in humiliating these people. But questions need to be answered to persuade the people, rather than the last failed attempt of using fear. 1. How much would Britain have to pay for the EU's bloated budget? Currently, we're dodging an expensive bullet here. 2. What proportion of global trade will the EU represent for Britain in 20yrs time? Will it still be decreasing while Asia-Pacific grows? 3. What will be the annual net migration figures once Freedom of Movement is restored? And lower wages are brought back to these shores to the convenience of remainer business owners and to the detriment of the working class. 4. What would be the economic cost of joining the Eurozone? Which is currently in a recession while Britain is not. 5. Will the UK rejoin the Common Fisheries Policy? 6. As we already have a Free Trade Agreement with the EU, what precisely would be the advantage of rejoining its Single Market and Customs Union? 7. Will Brussels lawmakers have priority over the UK parliament and will the European Court of Justice be superior to British courts? 8. Would Rejoiners agree to the EU being in overall charge of foreign and security policy? 9. Will Rejoiners commit to a referendum to approve the terms negotiated for a new relationship with the EU? 10. What would be the effect on future trade of abandoning negotiations for closer relations with the Pacific region? Better start making some positive, persuasive arguments rather than resorting to calling people racist, knuckle draggers. You've got a hard task ahead of you to convince people. And I suspect by the time this has happened many people will have grown wiser to the nature of the EU beast; rather than the naivety of believing that it is the pinnacle of human civilisation. I see no ardent remainer who wants so-called 'honest debate' has even attempted to answer these fair and reasonable questions. It appears, the status quo of arguing for re-join looks like 'project fear'. This tactic didn't convince enough in 2016. So, perhaps some of our remainers on here can have a go and be honest enough to answer these questions?
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 25, 2023 13:50:53 GMT
Y.And here we are 7 years later and your are still tossing your toys out of the pram. Yes, here we are 7 years later, and there is still no sign of Turkey joining the EU, despite Project Fear from Leave. Isis was murdering and torturing people in the UK, France, and the Middle East. Farage lied that the UK was about to become inundated with Muslims from Turkey. Then there was the lie on the side of the bus. Most people of a certain age don't understand the EU. They do understand the NHS, though. They were asked to vote for the EU or the NHS. What did you think would happen when they were presented with a false choice like that? It's 7 years later and people are seeing through the lies. Polls consistently show majority regret. I agree with Thomas when he says that Starmer is very unlikely to present a referendum on rejoining. But that's not the only option. Far from it.
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Post by jonksy on Jun 25, 2023 13:52:08 GMT
Yes, here we are 7 years later, and there is still no sign of Turkey joining the EU, despite Project Fear from Leave. Isis was murdering and torturing people in the UK, France, and the Middle East. Farage lied that the UK was about to become inundated with Muslims from Turkey. Then there was the lie on the side of the bus. Most people of a certain generation don't understand the EU. They do understand the NHS, though. They were asked to vote for the EU or the NHS. What did you think would happen when they were presented with a false choice like that? It's 7 years later and people are seeing through the lies. Polls consistently show majority regret. I agree with Thomas when he says that Starmer is very unlikely to present a referendum on rejoining. But that's not the only option. Far from it. There are no options darleeen we have left.
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Post by Einhorn on Jun 25, 2023 13:52:58 GMT
Yes, here we are 7 years later, and there is still no sign of Turkey joining the EU, despite Project Fear from Leave. Isis was murdering and torturing people in the UK, France, and the Middle East. Farage lied that the UK was about to become inundated with Muslims from Turkey. Then there was the lie on the side of the bus. Most people of a certain generation don't understand the EU. They do understand the NHS, though. They were asked to vote for the EU or the NHS. What did you think would happen when they were presented with a false choice like that? It's 7 years later and people are seeing through the lies. Polls consistently show majority regret. I agree with Thomas when he says that Starmer is very unlikely to present a referendum on rejoining. But that's not the only option. Far from it. There are no options darleeen we have left. There are several options. Stay tuned.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 25, 2023 13:53:18 GMT
So, perhaps some of our remainers on here can have a go and be honest enough to answer these questions? Fat chance of that, I'd say. π
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 14:22:03 GMT
I'm pleased you consider me a smart Alec. personally I don't, I just enjoy learning. However I am puzzled as to what you have spelt out. You claimed we were told this was a once only vote. I asked you who told us this. You answered: It was nothing to do with how the government wished how they could control the electorate via so called Parliamentary democracy, but how the majority of voters wanted them acting on their behalf for once. Which Farage made a huge mistake telling people they would. Which has created your view that somehow you can change that. Where you can centralise power in Brussels and all will be well.I can't see anywhere in this sentence the names of the people who said this was a once only vote. Or even any reference to my query. Well it will all work out fine then, there will be no repercussions obviously as Parliament can do as they please. Great, now we can carry on with the subject in hand. 58% would like to re-join. Do you personally think we should be democratic and allow a new referendum on the subject?
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 14:24:37 GMT
So after being made to wait 41 years for your democratic moment, you would like to impose the same non democracy yourself? That's only fair. I'm sorry, but I always understood from Brexiters that it was unfair to make them wait 41 years for a referendum. Are you saying that you think that was fair?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 25, 2023 14:32:07 GMT
I'm sorry, but I always understood from Brexiters that it was unfair to make them wait 41 years for a referendum. Are you saying that you think that was fair? Fair as in equal treatment, but at the end of the day the vocal Remainers openly rejected the result and will support anything to get us back in. This is why they're sucking up to Starmer in the hope that he will take us back through the backdoor. After all, Labour MPs literally insisted on Parliament rejecting the result straight after it came in. These are the sort of people who would support laws that made criticism of the EU a hate-crime.
Oh, what you call Brexiters are just ordinary people from all walks of life.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 14:41:09 GMT
People still hellbent on defying the myths Brexit has failed. Deary me. They want us to go crawling back to the EU with cap in hand. The EU will oblige in humiliating these people. But questions need to be answered to persuade the people, rather than the last failed attempt of using fear. 1. How much would Britain have to pay for the EU's bloated budget? Currently, we're dodging an expensive bullet here. 2. What proportion of global trade will the EU represent for Britain in 20yrs time? Will it still be decreasing while Asia-Pacific grows? 3. What will be the annual net migration figures once Freedom of Movement is restored? And lower wages are brought back to these shores to the convenience of remainer business owners and to the detriment of the working class. 4. What would be the economic cost of joining the Eurozone? Which is currently in a recession while Britain is not. 5. Will the UK rejoin the Common Fisheries Policy? 6. As we already have a Free Trade Agreement with the EU, what precisely would be the advantage of rejoining its Single Market and Customs Union? 7. Will Brussels lawmakers have priority over the UK parliament and will the European Court of Justice be superior to British courts? 8. Would Rejoiners agree to the EU being in overall charge of foreign and security policy? 9. Will Rejoiners commit to a referendum to approve the terms negotiated for a new relationship with the EU? 10. What would be the effect on future trade of abandoning negotiations for closer relations with the Pacific region? Better start making some positive, persuasive arguments rather than resorting to calling people racist, knuckle draggers. You've got a hard task ahead of you to convince people. And I suspect by the time this has happened many people will have grown wiser to the nature of the EU beast; rather than the naivety of believing that it is the pinnacle of human civilisation. I see no ardent remainer who wants so-called 'honest debate' has even attempted to answer these fair and reasonable questions. It appears, the status quo of arguing for re-join looks like 'project fear'. This tactic didn't convince enough in 2016. So, perhaps some of our remainers on here can have a go and be honest enough to answer these questions? I'll have a go. Though I do expect a respectful reply. 1, That should be negotiated BEFORE any vote. We do of course still have costs in dealing with the EU, regulations and checks are still carried out, we just pay separately for those at the moment. 2, I have no idea, but then being a member of the EU is not about access to East Asia. I assume we will still be able to trade with them? 3, Firstly, can it be worse than it is now? But in answer to your question FoM means FoM. So as much as happens. We could of course change our benefits and health system to make the UK less attractive. 4, Currently, but over the last 7 years has done better. So I think we will benefit. 5, To be negotiated, but I didn't think it was a big deal anyway. About 0.8% of our economy from memory. 6, Ease of trade. 7, Yes. 8, Don't know. 9, I would. Indeed I think the terms should be clear before the vote. 10, Very little, Its only worth 0.08% of our GDP. but I see no reason to abandon trade with them, we would just do it through the EU.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 25, 2023 14:42:11 GMT
I'm sorry, but I always understood from Brexiters that it was unfair to make them wait 41 years for a referendum. Are you saying that you think that was fair? Fair as in equal treatment, but at the end of the day the vocal Remainers openly rejected the result and will support anything to get us back in. This is why they're sucking up to Starmer in the hope that he will take us back through the backdoor. After all, Labour MPs literally insisted on Parliament rejecting the result straight after it came in. These are the sort of people who would support laws that made criticism of the EU a hate-crime.
Oh, what you call Brexiters are just ordinary people from all walks of life.
You have a terrible habit of answering for other people. And you don't even answer. BTW. Do you consider the term Brexiter to be an insult? I've never thought of it as such. Remainer is not an insult, Remoaner is.
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