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Post by zanygame on Jun 23, 2023 16:17:53 GMT
www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/23/britons-who-want-to-rejoin-eu-at-highest-since-2016-survey-findsAnd they trust the EU more than their own government. How much higher do the polls have to climb before the Brexiters have to admit they no longer represent democracy. And no one else in the EU is thinking of leaving. Asked whether they would vote to remain in the EU or leave in a Brexit-style referendum, 62% of respondents in France and 63% in Italy, which are traditionally among the least enthusiastic EU member states, said they would vote to stay. Elsewhere in the EU, 87% of respondents in Spain said last month they would choose to remain, along with 79% in Denmark, 70% in Sweden and 69% in Germany.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 23, 2023 16:36:55 GMT
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Post by zanygame on Jun 23, 2023 17:00:49 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 19:17:11 GMT
Thank goodness there's another thread. One without a typo I hope.
I hate lies, I would not lie to join the EU. Ted Heath started that all off.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 23, 2023 19:40:54 GMT
Thank goodness there's another thread. One without a typo I hope. I hate lies, I would not lie to join the EU. Ted Heath started that all off. Oh know. Not a typo. What on earth will we do. Perhaps, get a life? |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 19:42:58 GMT
Thank goodness there's another thread. One without a typo I hope. I hate lies, I would not lie to join the EU. Ted Heath started that all off. I'm sure he's admired for it by some on here. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 23, 2023 19:48:42 GMT
Thank goodness there's another thread. One without a typo I hope. I hate lies, I would not lie to join the EU. Ted Heath started that all off. I'm sure he's admired for it by some on here. This is the mind zone. Reported. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 23, 2023 20:03:14 GMT
I see nothing wrong with Ned reminding us of Ted Heath and the lies. What is it you're objecting to, Zanygame?
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Post by zanygame on Jun 23, 2023 20:07:15 GMT
I see nothing wrong with Ned reminding us of Ted Heath and the lies. What is it you're objecting to, Zanygame? Apologies I thought you were referring to me? |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 23, 2023 20:13:10 GMT
Do what? We're not voting on Brexit. You might as well ask if the electorate of 1974 should admit they no longer represent democracy. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 23, 2023 20:28:56 GMT
Do what? We're not voting on Brexit. You might as well ask if the electorate of 1974 should admit they no longer represent democracy. I was referring to the claims that there is no support for re-joining and remainers are undemocratic for asking for a new vote. 7 years and 58% saying they would re-join. Even more saying they would vote remain if brexit re ran How much longer can you hang onto your one vote democracy. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jun 23, 2023 20:33:04 GMT
So which previous general elections do you think that we should re-run?
Do you reckon that B'liar's still a shoe-in for 97?
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Post by zanygame on Jun 23, 2023 20:59:27 GMT
So which previous general elections do you think that we should re-run? Do you reckon that B'liar's still a shoe-in for 97? I don't want any election re-run. I want a new vote. Brexiters keep saying there is no change so no need for a second vote. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jun 24, 2023 6:01:17 GMT
It's quite an appropriate typo though.
But I don't think even the most rabid remoaners would want to rejoin the EU. We would have to agree to join the euro, which would be a one-way ticket to bankruptcy.
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Post by Pacifico on Jun 24, 2023 6:30:49 GMT
Note of realism from the Guardian today. For one thing, the status quo ante those 59% are longing to restore may no longer be available. The 27 remaining nations of the EU will be understandably wary of plunging themselves once more into the on-again-off-again psychodrama of the UK’s relationship to Europe – a drama that is, in fact, about the UK’s relationship to itself, its struggle to see its place in the world as it truly is and to accept being a medium-sized European power rather than the imperial superpower of the recent past. The member states of the EU would need to know that this time it’s for keeps.
The article even goes on to point out the key issue - Brexit is simply not an important issue any more except to a shrinking hardcore of pro-EU supporters. Most people have already moved on to more important issues.
Of course, politics is dynamic and those calculations could change. But given the tortuous process of EU-UK negotiation that would be involved, rejoin is a project that could span two parliaments: which party would willingly commit that much political capital to such an endeavour? Especially when you consider that “Europe” has lost much of its salience. In 2019, 70% rated it as the most important issue facing the country; now just 19% say that.
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