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Post by buccaneer on Jun 24, 2023 7:41:22 GMT
A poll from about 1000 people where 58% claim they 'would' rejoin the EU.
And people are expected to give that airtime. pffft.
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Post by Dan Dare on Jun 24, 2023 8:02:41 GMT
A sample size of 1,000 randomly selected adults is highly likely to produce a result accurate to within +/-3% at a 95% confidence level. Increasing the sample size to 2,000 would only result in a further percentage point accuracy i.e. +/-2%.
Gallup polls are usually conducted with 1,000-size samples.
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Post by zanygame on Jun 24, 2023 8:23:36 GMT
Note of realism from the Guardian today. For one thing, the status quo ante those 59% are longing to restore may no longer be available. The 27 remaining nations of the EU will be understandably wary of plunging themselves once more into the on-again-off-again psychodrama of the UK’s relationship to Europe – a drama that is, in fact, about the UK’s relationship to itself, its struggle to see its place in the world as it truly is and to accept being a medium-sized European power rather than the imperial superpower of the recent past. The member states of the EU would need to know that this time it’s for keeps.
The article even goes on to point out the key issue - Brexit is simply not an important issue any more except to a shrinking hardcore of pro-EU supporters. Most people have already moved on to more important issues.
Of course, politics is dynamic and those calculations could change. But given the tortuous process of EU-UK negotiation that would be involved, rejoin is a project that could span two parliaments: which party would willingly commit that much political capital to such an endeavour? Especially when you consider that “Europe” has lost much of its salience. In 2019, 70% rated it as the most important issue facing the country; now just 19% say that.
GuardianGetting ahead of things a bit here. Stage one is will the government react to the polls and discuss what re-joining might look like. Though I would support the idea that we do have a plan in place before the vote/move this time. |
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Post by zanygame on Jun 24, 2023 8:25:11 GMT
A poll from about 1000 people where 58% claim they 'would' rejoin the EU. And people are expected to give that airtime. pffft. Your right, we should have a proper referendum on it. Oh wait that wouldn't suit you AT all |
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Post by buccaneer on Jun 24, 2023 8:32:16 GMT
A poll from about 1000 people where 58% claim they 'would' rejoin the EU. And people are expected to give that airtime. pffft. Your right, we should have a proper referendum on it. Oh wait that wouldn't suit you AT all 41 years should do it. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2023 9:03:40 GMT
So which previous general elections do you think that we should re-run? Do you reckon that B'liar's still a shoe-in for 97? I don't want any election re-run. I want a new vote. Brexiters keep saying there is no change so no need for a second vote. I have no fear of another vote. We've already affirmed the 2016 result 3 or 4 times. But I don't see any point in affirming it for a 5th time because you will then want a 6th... and a 7th ... and an 8th ... because you will never be satisfied that you lost. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2023 17:30:24 GMT
I don't want any election re-run. I want a new vote. Brexiters keep saying there is no change so no need for a second vote. I have no fear of another vote. We've already affirmed the 2016 result 3 or 4 times. But I don't see any point in affirming it for a 5th time because you will then want a 6th... and a 7th ... and an 8th ... because you will never be satisfied that you lost. We have not reaffirmed the vote. To do that would require another referendum. But dont worry that is not going to happen anytime soon. For one thing it is hard to imagine us being accepted back in on terms the British people will accept. All the opt outs we had before we will never get back. If we ever went back in it would be on worse terms than what we had before we left. And no government is going to advocate trying to negotiate going back in until public opinion gets far more solidly behind that than it is a present. But public opinion is moving in that direction for two reasons. Some of the more open-minded leavers are changing their minds and regretting their vote. About a fifth of Leave voters now think leaving was a mistake. The second and far more inexorable reason is that the Leave vote was heavily concentrated in the more elderly age groups with younger age groups tending to be Remainers. More young people are coming of age every year and more old people are passing away every year. Brexiteers are literally slowly dying, having shafted the country and future generations. Give it a decade or two and between two thirds and three quarters of the electorate are likely to be anti-Brexiteers. You need only look at the audience on this weeks Question Time. made up entirely of Leave voters, a minority of whom have since changed their mind. It looked like 99% of them could qualify for a Saga holiday. And the absolute tosh some of them spouted brings shame to our country. Foreign observers must wonder how many British people can be so thick. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 24, 2023 17:37:34 GMT
I don't want any election re-run. I want a new vote. Brexiters keep saying there is no change so no need for a second vote. I have no fear of another vote. We've already affirmed the 2016 result 3 or 4 times. But I don't see any point in affirming it for a 5th time because you will then want a 6th... and a 7th ... and an 8th ... because you will never be satisfied that you lost. Are you referring to 2017 when May lost her majority, or 2019, when more people voted for a second referendum than "Get Brexit Done"? I'm not clear. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 24, 2023 17:39:48 GMT
I have no fear of another vote. We've already affirmed the 2016 result 3 or 4 times. But I don't see any point in affirming it for a 5th time because you will then want a 6th... and a 7th ... and an 8th ... because you will never be satisfied that you lost. We have not reaffirmed the vote. To do that would require another referendum. But dont worry that is not going to happen anytime soon. For one thing it is hard to imagine us being accepted back in on terms the British people will accept. All the opt outs we had before we will never get back. If we ever went back in it would be on worse terms than what we had before we left. And no government is going to advocate trying to negotiate going back in until public opinion gets far more solidly behind that than it is a present. But public opinion is moving in that direction for two reasons. Some of the more open-minded leavers are changing their minds and regretting their vote. About a fifth of Leave voters now think leaving was a mistake. The second and far more inexorable reason is that the Leave vote was heavily concentrated in the more elderly age groups with younger age groups tending to be Remainers. More young people are coming of age every year and more old people are passing away every year. Brexiteers are literally slowly dying, having shafted the country and future generations. Give it a decade or two and between two thirds and three quarters of the electorate are likely to be anti-Brexiteers. You need only look at the audience on this weeks Question Time. made up entirely of Leave voters, a minority of whom have since changed their mind. It looked like 99% of them could qualify for a Saga holiday. And the absolute tosh some of them spouted brings shame to our country. Foreign observers must wonder how many British people can be so thick. Totally agree. The QT episode was cringe. I mean the bloke who followed the EU citizen from the port to the benefit office and the lady who voted out because the French and Germans went on the roof without safety harnesses.. I won't criticise them as they may both be members of this forum... |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 24, 2023 17:39:56 GMT
I have no fear of another vote. We've already affirmed the 2016 result 3 or 4 times. But I don't see any point in affirming it for a 5th time because you will then want a 6th... and a 7th ... and an 8th ... because you will never be satisfied that you lost. Are you referring to 2017 when May lost her majority, or 2019, when more people voted for a second referendum than "Get Brexit Done"? I'm not clear. 2015 general election , brexiters win by backing cameron to hold a brexit ref. Labour may i remind you opposed democracy. 2016 brexit referendum , brextiters win. 2017 general election ,both main parties promise to back brexit and brexiters win again. 2019 European elections , brexiters win majority despite bbc portraying it as a remain win much to everyone's amusement. 2019 general election...get Brexit done..brexiters win. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jun 24, 2023 17:41:25 GMT
Oh dear. Only a Brexiter could confirm that the referendum was affirmed a year before it happened! :-D
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Post by see2 on Jun 24, 2023 17:45:08 GMT
Thank goodness there's another thread. One without a typo I hope. I hate lies, I would not lie to join the EU. Ted Heath started that all off. I'm sure he's admired for it by some on here. Between the mid 1950s and the 1970s both Labour governments and Conservative governments had made two attempts to join the common market. IIRC and I'm sure I do, I remember reading, in the Daily Mail before joining the Market, the comment that the French Economy had overtaken the UK economy for the first time in 200 years. That no doubt is the reason why the UK joined the Common Market in the first place. |
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Post by jonksy on Jun 24, 2023 17:47:40 GMT
We have not reaffirmed the vote. To do that would require another referendum. But dont worry that is not going to happen anytime soon. For one thing it is hard to imagine us being accepted back in on terms the British people will accept. All the opt outs we had before we will never get back. If we ever went back in it would be on worse terms than what we had before we left. And no government is going to advocate trying to negotiate going back in until public opinion gets far more solidly behind that than it is a present. But public opinion is moving in that direction for two reasons. Some of the more open-minded leavers are changing their minds and regretting their vote. About a fifth of Leave voters now think leaving was a mistake. The second and far more inexorable reason is that the Leave vote was heavily concentrated in the more elderly age groups with younger age groups tending to be Remainers. More young people are coming of age every year and more old people are passing away every year. Brexiteers are literally slowly dying, having shafted the country and future generations. Give it a decade or two and between two thirds and three quarters of the electorate are likely to be anti-Brexiteers. You need only look at the audience on this weeks Question Time. made up entirely of Leave voters, a minority of whom have since changed their mind. It looked like 99% of them could qualify for a Saga holiday. And the absolute tosh some of them spouted brings shame to our country. Foreign observers must wonder how many British people can be so thick. Totally agree. The QT episode was cringe. I mean the bloke who followed the EU citizen from the port to the benefit office and the lady who voted out because the French and Germans went on the roof without safety harnesses.. I won't criticise them as they may both be members of this forum... They were all remants FFS hash. You have been told enough times that those who are not dead from the neck up have no regrets about the way we voted. They had a frigging great firework display in Torbay last night celeibratiing out freedom. |
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Post by Toreador on Jun 24, 2023 17:53:53 GMT
I'm sure he's admired for it by some on here. Between the mid 1950s and the 1970s both Labour governments and Conservative governments had made two attempts to join the common market. IIRC and I'm sure I do, I remember reading, in the Daily Mail before joining the Market, the comment that the French Economy had overtaken the UK economy for the first time in 200 years. That no doubt is the reason why the UK joined the Common Market in the first place. That was deGaulle's doing to pull France out of post-war disarray, numerous elections and numerous failed governments until he stood and knocked more than a few heads together. The best leader in my time, a benevolent dictator, a man of the people, for the people. |
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Post by bancroft on Jun 24, 2023 17:54:21 GMT
A sample size of 1,000 randomly selected adults is highly likely to produce a result accurate to within +/-3% at a 95% confidence level. Increasing the sample size to 2,000 would only result in a further percentage point accuracy i.e. +/-2%. Gallup polls are usually conducted with 1,000-size samples. Yet there were big regional variations on which areas did or did not vote for Brexit, if this was say Manchester would not trust it. As I said before needs to be a campaign again to rejoin and we might lose Sterling this time if it were to happen. |
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